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Old 11-27-2012, 04:32 PM   #318
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Default Re: The Official Batman (1989) Thread - Part 3

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises View Post
If that was true, Bruce would have simply followed Ra's all the way and went through with his League of Shadows initiation. These movies have plenty of instances of Bruce taking certain actions in spite of the objection of those around him (Lucius, Rachel, Gordon, Alfred).

Yes, the Nolan films expounded upon their themes with some on the nose dialogue in some places, but that doesn't mean Bruce wasn't a fiercely driven self-made man with his own very personally developed sense of morals and idealism. It's just a fact of life that our own relationships and experience help shape our worldview. That doesn't make us any less individual.
No, that's not accurate at all, actually.

The only reason Bruce rebelled against executing that guy was because of Rachel's previous condemnation of it.

Actually, pretty much all of Bruce's core beliefs and motivations sprung from a desire to please Rachel or align with her own morals. Which, as others have already said, is pretty weak compared to Keaton's Batman who was entirely driven by his parents ' death and his own morals; not borrowed from anyone.

It's like a non-consecutive 24-hour dance party.
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