[Nave 'Torment']

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

REAL good thread, but why is this in the TDKR area?

Thanks man -- and well it's on the TDKR area because it's supposed to involve the entire trilogy. Most of these characters and aspects do appear throughout.

Originally Posted by shauner111

AMAZING thread. The Shining theory is cool as ****!

I know right?!

Originally Posted by Shedhut

Funny, I watched The Shining recently and couldnt help to notice Ledger's Joker shared some mannerism with Jack (particularly in the bar scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbLB21If2YA)

That's a great insight -- I wonder if he was conscious of that when he performed?

Originally Posted by Fudgie

This thread is trippy. I like it.

tis the idea

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini

You mean Thomas Schiff?

The very one. It went as such that Thomas Schiff is actually Nolan-verse's Mad Hatter just because he's an inmate from Arkham and I guess he wore a hat but hey you can't stop em from speculating can you?

But what I loved about that particular angle is how the Joker would've been this catalyst to the throng of "freaks" and so really play as much a hand in inadvertantly creating the endless supply of psychotic villains as much as Batman, making the entire exotic and larger-than-life element of the comics a blend of Batman's involvement on Gotham, the Joker's brand of "criminal" and to some extent the Scarecrow's fear-gas. A sort of mythical dimension within the imagination of Gothammites. So yeah, a hyper reality with meta-textual implications.