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Old 12-06-2012, 09:06 AM   #340
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Default Re: Plot ideas based on SPOILERS (general discussion)

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Originally Posted by elizah72 View Post
We were looking at the new poster for Thor (work in progress) in the news thread and someone mentioned the o in Thor looks like an eclipse. I wanted to repost this part here as I think I am onto something. It connects to my idea earlier that Malekith wants to make the Earth dark so that the Dark Elves can come out all the time (as mentioned before in the myths they cannot go out in the daylight, or turn to stone)
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could be that he causes a permanent eclipse on Earth to keep it in darkness. In the release from the studio made regarding filming at Butlers Wharf, when they filmed at the River Thames they wanted it at high tide.
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I think Greenwich Meantime/Meridian line could be connected to this idea as well (although this is all not admittedly an area I am particularly knowlegable about more of an arts than science girl )

Edited to add:
http://www.mreclipse.com/Special/SEprimer.html

Okay so not so much the entire Earth in this scenario but a 100 mile wide area is where the eclipse would be experienced, there could be some piece to the puzzle we're still missing where he is making the Earth dark using the moon though. I do think I'm onto something. I suppose if he both stops the moon at solar eclipse and the stops the Earth from turning as well then that would leave the majority of the Earth permanently in darkness, although that would unleash a hell of a lot of other issues, but this is a fantasy movie after all! lol

anybody have any other ideas in regards to this? It would seem a solar eclipse is involved judging by that poster.


If the Earth stops turning, you wouldn't have the majority of the Earth's surface plunged into darkness. You also wouldn't prevent the eclipse from being transitory--it's the Earth's orbit around the Sun (and the Moon's orbit about the Earth) that cause the eclipse to come to an end. All the bodies involved move out of alignment.

To say that Malekith means to make the eclipse permanent is problematic. The movement of these bodies is a consequence of their relative positions and their gravitational pull on one another. As CherokeeSam pointed out, they did filming with the helicopter over the Thames on October 21, when the tide would be high. Tides are caused by the Moon's gravitational pull on the Earth. So on the one hand, we want to include the real effect of gravity, yet on the other hand, we want to override that through magic. It seems like we can't have it both ways. And science fiction/fantasy generally works better if they minimize the number of scientific laws they bend or break. That way, regular science can lend elements of verisimilitude to the story.

If we're to have an eclipse, it seems more likely that it's just to give the Dark Elves freedom of movement, as you suggested earlier. It could also be a timing thing, as CherokeeSam suggested in the main spoilers thread. My one caution about that would be to be careful it doesn't wind up evoking the plot of The Dark Crystal: "When single shines the triple sun/What was sundered and undone/Shall be whole, the two made one/By Gelfling hand or else by none."

Another idea with eclipses is to cause general panic on Earth. We know enough about the movements in our solar system that we can predict these eclipses well in advance (I have friends who are planning a trip to where the eclipse will be in 2017, for example). So if one were to occur that we did *not* predict, that might be more frighting for our modern society than they would have been back in the day.

Isaac Asimov had a short story, "Nightfall", about a planet with six suns that generally does not know darkness. Once in a thousand years, night falls, and the people panic, riot, and set their civilization back, well, 1000 years. Scientists on the eve of sundown are trying to preserve enough scientific knowledge to allow future generations to break this cycle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nightfa...y_and_novel%29
Hmmm, that has parallels to the Ragnarok.

But it may be that there is no actual eclipse in this film, just metaphorical ones.

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