Originally Posted by CConn
Metacritic can GTFO.
Batman Begins: Ratings: 8.3
/10 from 339,090 users
Spider-Man: Ratings: 7.4
/10 from 206,231 users
Batman Begins: Average Rating: 7.7/10
Reviews Counted: 259
Fresh: 220 | Rotten: 39
Spider-Man Average Rating: 7.6/10
Reviews Counted: 215
Fresh: 192 | Rotten: 23
So apparently over 300,000 people on IMDB and over 200 reviewers are DC fanboys too.
Originally Posted by El Payaso
Agree here, disagree there: It's like with any list, hey?
Originally Posted by kedrell
Eh, I don't think it's that serious. Folks can have anything they want on their lists as far as I'm concerned. Just as long as I know what mine is, that's all I need.
Originally Posted by Rocketman
Anyone who doesn't put The Dark Knight on their list at all
can't be taken seriously.
In my opinion. I can barely name
25 comic book movies, let alone not
include The Dark Knight among them. Get real.
I'm fascinated by our continued attempts to "prove" quality in art and to prove other people "wrong" about things they like. This thread is yet another example of how bad we fail every single time we try it
. At best, we can muster a "pretty good list overall"....if the list agrees with our personal taste. Naturally our ego tells us that "What I like is good...what I don't like is bad". So any list which agrees with us is a "good list".
Sometimes we use a popular vote like IMDB...but does anyone use that list to guide their opinion of what movies are "better" than others? Do we all "admit" that Shawshank Redemption is the best movie ever made?
Then we turn to "experts" (critics). Yet another method we don't agree with. They say Vertigo is the greatest movie ever made. (They used to say it was Citizen Kane) http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/02/showbi...oll/index.html
Everyone agree with that? They are the "experts" we must agree with, right?
It tells you all you need to know about art that each list is different...each method for determining "best/better" comes up with a different result. Those things don't exist in art. No one can find them because they aren't there to be found.
I used to do this myself...but I finally realized that good and bad, superior and inferior do not exist in art. The best comic book movies I've ever seen are Kick Ass, Watchmen, and Mystery Men...three-way tie for #1. That's just the way it is for me. No other list or opinion is relevant to me just like my opinion is not relevant to anyone else. How can a "list" or "critics consensus" make me feel different when I watch these movies?
Originally Posted by Kevin Roegele
But it's true. Kick-Ass the movie is much better. Superman the Movie is better than any Superman comic ever published. Christopher Nolan and Tim Burton improved Batman, Catwoman, Penguin, Joker et al.
Those are nice sentiments...but there is no way to prove any of it. I know I prefer the comic version of Batman big time. I think Nolan made him into a wimp. The Nolan Batman has to go if they plan to put Batman into the JLA movie.
...plus Batman has one of the most iconic costumes of all time...would be nice if someone would be brave enough to use it. The pulled it off with Spider-man so Batman should be no problem.