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Old 01-21-2013, 05:38 PM   #310
JDonaldD
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Default Re: The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - Part 143

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Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises View Post
A character's incompetence is not a flaw of the writing if that is part of the point of the character. The police force had become bloated, complacent, cocky. Foley was there to give a face to that. He was an opportunistic d-bag, who is able to achieve some small measure of redemption due to the restored power of Batman's symbol. To have the same character who was hunting Batman be the same guy who is later inspired by him was a good way to show how radically things have changed in Gotham from the end of TDK to the climax of TDKR. The relationship between Batman and the law/Gotham has been in constant evolution throughout the trilogy, and this is a pretty important part of the last stage of the transformation.

We can take shots at the execution all day, but if you simply removed Foley from the film, it has a domino effect on themes that IMO would hurt more than it would help. Once a screenplay is written you can't just pluck things out willy nilly without having to make much deeper changes. That is why I consistently find most of the criticisms leveled at this film are a result of wanting a different movie altogether. And some people openly concede that- which is a totally valid and fair position to have, as long as it is acknowledged. Removing Foley would have this effect to a lesser degree, but things like removing the LOS and Talia or losing the 8 year gap/Dent Act would completely change the entire fabric of the film to the point where in my view, it would be a different film...not "TDKR with tweaks".
Agreed. I don't really like to go down the road of pretending my ideas based on the actual movie are better but part of me can't help but wish that in the 8 years, we got a montage through time of Bruce as Bats on the run from the cops fighting the rogues gallery leading up the eventual clearing of the streets and the Dent Act. It would clear up so many issues with the plot for me, it would have made more sense from a narrative point of view.

It would further illustrate Bruce's death wish that Alfred hints at. He has been waiting for someone like Bane to come and finally stop him.

It would have explained why Bruce is so worn down at the beginning. The movie could still start out with a recently retired Batman, maybe a year into retirement who won't move passed it. One year is fine for Alfred to let Bruce mope around but 8?

There was that comical TV clip of Bruce at the doctor inter cut with his fights. Would have been a great place to show how he got specific wounds in the the 8 year gap. Hit in the head by Riddler's cane. Shot by Black Mask...etc. Some might not like the idea of cameos like that but I think it's enough to allow Gotham to seem much bigger and fully realized than it feels by the end of TDKR. It leaves more room than the "confirmed sightings" line as far as room to imagine Bat's adventures we didn't see.

It would explain why all these kids know who Batman is even though he hasn't been active in their lifetime.

It would have made good on the promise of TDK which involved Bruce being lost in Batman and "taking it" as Gordon implies.

It would have fixed my only real flaw with the trilogy: he was Batman for too short of time. It's nitpicking, I know but Batman and his awesome rogues gallery is a huge part of his appeal for me.

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