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Originally Posted by theman
this is exactly how i feel about TDK and TDKR. tim burtons 2 films are far more batman then nolans 2 sequels. as batman films they just suck to me. i was able to get over the fact that batman drives a tank in the new ones, in the hopes he would aquire more bat-centric vehicles later on. instead all he got was a tumbler lite motorcycle and a giant lobster transformer toy. LAME. tim burton gave us not only the ultimate batmobile but the coolest batplane and then the batboat. all have the slick bat design. i even thought the Forever vehicles were great too, even with the blue neon. but the tank tumbler stuff just never felt "batman" to me. i remember thinking oh great, more GI joe toys. batmans point is that he obsessed with his creation, thus his vehicles have a bat-look to them and hes got batsymbols everywhere. but no, he just goes to fox like his own personal Q and just borrows stuff.
the only nolan batman film i really liked was batman begins. the narrows was how ALL of gotham should have looked. not just one part of it. the other 2 movies were just chicago renamed gotham. creativly speaking, the nolan films are dull visually which is ironic considering they are based on a visual medium of comic books. they look more like bond movies of the 90's then they do batman films.
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There's nothing wrong with preferring one take of the character over another, so let me just say that. I love Burton's films and love the visual style there. They're aesthetically wonderful, and take you to another world. When it comes to characterization, I preferred Nolan's films. The fact that it felt like he captured the essence of the characters while still putting a more "real world" stamp on it was very appealing to me. That's not to say I think it is the "one and only" Batman, but what he did with the character really excited me and felt right for the times. And I think his films are still beautifully shot and have a different kind of visual appeal.
And as far as the Tumbler goes...
Sure, Dark Knight Returns is kind of it's own thing, but it's also a monumental story in Batman's history and it set the precedent for a more tank-like, militaristic take on the Batmobile. So it's not like Nolan's version came out of nowhere. On top of that, the Tumbler
did have a subtle Bat-motif. It's meant to resemble a bat with its wings folded up.