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Old 03-03-2013, 09:09 AM   #81
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Default Re: Hans Zimmer Scoring The Man of Steel - Part 1

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Originally Posted by DoomsdayApex View Post
Yes, Elfman's score was iconic for its time but it's not the standard for modern superhero scores.
Tell that to the ones that compare the current superhero scores to Williams' Superman and Elfman's Batman. As well as the ones that rank those as the best superhero scores to this day. There are plenty that still believe that.


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The whole soundtrack is brimming of dark comedic tones.
Only a few scored Joker moments have dark comedic tones, which makes sense. But you're just making stuff up to make the score look bad. Zimmer also made a silly remark of calling Elfman's Batman theme "jolly".

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Being 'catchy' doesn't make the '89 soundtrack superior either. Ace of Base had hummable songs too, but does make the band superior over current electronic pop bands today? No. That's just nostalgia talking.
Trust me the reason I believe the B89 score is superior to any of the music in TDK trilogy isn't b/c it's more 'catchy'. That's you assuming why I prefer Elfman's Batman scores over Zimmer's. And nostalgia has nothing to do with why I prefer Elfman's over Zimmer's. Once again that's you making assumptions b/c you somehow find it hard to believe that someone prefer's Elfman's Batman scores over Zimmer's. I was listening to some of Batman 89 the other day. And still enjoy it. I get a lot out of it than any Zimmer's Batman scores.

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Zimmer had his shortcomings as a composer but to claim the '89 soundtrack remains the top Batman score is a fallacy.
Where did I say Batman 89 was the top Batman score? And if somebody believes that it is how is that a "fallacy"? No it's called having an opinion, but b/c you don't share that opinion it's a "fallacy" to you.

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Older fans might identify with Elfman's work but there's no depth to it. Say what you will about Zimmer's efforts but there's no comparison. For instance, in Begins there's one particular scene that cements Hans' score as inspiring and heroic -- Bruce discovering the Batcave and facing his fear. There's no track in Elfman's work that reflected that type of empowerment.
Bullcrap. Elfman's Batman scores has plenty of depth. The scenes where there are no dialogue even proves it. The scene where Vicki is following Bruce in Crime Alley, when Batman is taking Vicki to the batcave in the batmobile, the flashback of the murder of Bruce's parents, the scene where Batman, Vicki, and the Joker are walking up the stairs of the cathedral, the finale of batman 89, the Cobblepot prologue of BR, the scene in BR where Bruce sees the bat signal, the scene where Selina is reborn and destroys her apartment and becomes Catwoman, the scene where Penguin visits his parents' grave, and so on and so forth. Like I said before the book "Danny Elfman's Batman: A film Score Guide" does an analysis and commentary on Elfman's Batman 89 score. Which proves the score has more depth than you give it credit for not having, imo.

And using the scene where Bruce is covered with bats or whatever as an example of why Zimmer's music is more 'inspiring' and 'heroic' is funny. Didn't he use that piece when the batpod was introduced in TDK, as well as the end of both TDK and TDKR, as well as when Bruce escapes the pit. What exactly is 'heroic' and 'inspiring' about DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUN!
If you believe that that's "heroic" and "inspiring" then more power to you. Btw, the music at the end of B89 ("Finale") was 'inspiring' and 'heroic', imo. Again Elfman had plenty of those moments especially in B89.

Just say what you really think. That Elfman's batman scores (or scores in general) aren't your cup of tea. It's fine if you believe Zimmer's batman scores has more "depth" and is more "heroic" and "inspiring" that's your opinion, but to say Elfman's batman scores doesn't have any of those is a load of bull, imo.

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Originally Posted by DoomsdayApex View Post
I would rate Shirly Walker above Danny Elfman too. I adored The Phantasm soundtrack. Walker was far more versatile than Elfman.
So b/c the two posts after you prefer Elfman's Batman scores over Zimmer's. You have to bring up Shirley Walker? I'm a big fan of her Batman scores as well. I also prefer her batman scores over Zimmer's any day. I'm not going to compare Walker to Elfman, but she took the approach Elfman did with Batman when she wrote the music to B:TAS.

And I think Elfman is very versatile. A lot of people that associate him with superhero movies (as well as Tim Burton movies) don't realise he's the same guy that wrote the music for Article 99, Sommersby, Black Beauty, Dolores Claiborne, Extreme Measures, A Civil Action, A Simple Plan, The Kingdom, Standard Operating Procedure, Wanted, Milk, Notorious, The Next Three Days, Silver Linings Playbook, etc. Plus he's one of the few composers who can also sing.


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