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Old 03-05-2013, 12:17 PM   #375
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Default Re: Kevin Feige says no to another Hulk Movie.

Originally Posted by JeetKuneDo View Post
I never believed it because everyone in Hollywood seems to think Banner is the star of "The Incredible Hulk" as a property and that the Hulk is a minor supporting character who can't even speak and has no personality or motivations of his own.

It's always about who is playing Banner with Hollywood so a movie without that actor getting all the narrative attention probably seems outrageous to them.
Originally Posted by JeetKuneDo View Post
Depends on what you mean by a "strong emphasis". I certainly would not mind if the movies/TV shows gave Banner the same amount of emphasis that the comics do. But Hollywood kicked the Hulk completely out of the narrative and gave ALL the emphasis to Banner.

So far, it's had very limited success (two movies that don't make the same money as Thor and Cap and a TV show with tepid ratings) maybe Hollywood should try something else? Maybe it's time to let the Hulk be the major character he is in the comics? That's the name on the movie marquee that people are buying tickets to see (once...Banner bores the crap out of them and they don't come back or give the movie good word of mouth).

But I have no doubt Hollywood will keep shoving Banner down everyone's throat and wonder why the Hulk isn't a big hit.

This also depends on what "best runs" is. That is a different thing for everyone. Planet Hulk and WWHulk are some of the most talked about and Banner isn't a factor at all.
Originally Posted by samsnee View Post
Because PH would require having a CGI Hulk as the main character for 2 hours. In the three movies we've had with Hulk, he's barely said 5 lines. Clearly Marvel doesn't think he can be anything more than a brute.
You guys are taking this personal on Hulk's behalf, and I don't think that's reasonable. The concern is entirely practical. Hulk is expensive to have on screen, and he's even more expensive to have on screen and do right. All-CGI superheroes right now are 200M for dodgy effects only on the screen for half the film (re: Green Lantern). Hulk done right would be more expensive, and RDJ's Iron Man is barely recouping a 200M budget, and Hulk isn't on that level.

But the problem goes further, as per Joss Whedon:

Originally Posted by Joss Whedon

"Half of it's a superhero, half of it's a werewolf. And you can't structure it like a superhero movie, you can't light it like a superhero movie. How do you develop that? It would be extremely difficult. The one thing you would have in your favor would be Mark Ruffalo. But right now I don't know if they have plans to do that or not, because he works so well as part of a greater whole, but by himself, it's tough. I don't envy the guys who went before."
And people love to say "Well, now that Joss disagrees with me, he doesn't know what he's talking about" but at the end of the day, a quality Hulk movie is a challenge on a creative level because the concepts are so different and the Banner/Hulk dynamic can cause even great directors like Ang Lee and Louis Leterrier to go off course.

BUT wait you say, forget Banner! That's the cry of the New Hulk fans, they love WWHulk, Planet Hulk, Fall of Hulks, Worldbreaker all that Gammaporn (tm). Hulk is the central character there... and he is valued by his feats, especially his ability to thoroughly best otherwise incredibly powerful Marvel characters. And best them he does!

Unfortunately, it's unfilmable, as the number of CGI characters creates an exponential cost increase. Also, honestly, his value is derived largely from guest spots, and not just that, guest spots in which the guest is shown to be inferior to Hulk both physically and morally, even if the guest is the entirety of the rest of the Marvel Universe (ala World War Hulk). I'd rather not have a Hulk movie if it means beating up the rest of the MCU and showing them how wrong they are compared to the noble warrior king. Even WWH doesn't work without Surfer/BetaRayBill. I can see what the MCU wouldn't do that with their universe.

I know many people love Hulk, but if you think it's because he talks and has his own thoughts, you're mistaken about the core appeal of the character.

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