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Old 03-07-2013, 04:34 PM   #110
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Default Re: Which villain(s) should the reboot start with?

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Originally Posted by regwec View Post
While I agree to an extent, the problem with the 'bigger bads' like The Court of Owls or The Black Glove is that they only really have an impact if the 'big bads' have been established already, and exist within the fabric of the story. The Black Glove was particularly sinister because it threatened to destroy Batman's legacy, and the reputation of Alfred and Thomas and Martha Wayne. That was far more threatening than The Joker spiking candyfloss with arsenic, because it seemed like The Black Glove could actually destroy the mythos itself. Likewise, The Court of Owls had always been there, while Batman was effectively playing cowboys and indians with the usual rogues gallery. They were subversive because their existence proved Gotham City to be a completely different place to what we thought we knew for 70 years. But all of that only works if the mythos is 'old', and we think we have seen it all before. I don't think either would have the same impact at a point where Batman may be facing down The Penguin, Riddler et al for the first time.


This is why my reboot fantasy would use the "main" villains of:

Jason Todd
Thomas Elliot
Simon Hurt

Because Jason and Thomas represent failures on behalf of both Bruce and his family. The Wayne's despite all their philanthropic gestures could not spare Jason from his life on the street, so it becomes questionable whether they were truly effective in Gotham, then Bruce fails to save Jason from Joker and as Red Hood, Jason shows Bruce that maybe Batman isn't as effective as Bruce would like him to be.

Elliot highlights an interesting personal paradigm for Bruce, is Bruce the man he is because of his parents? Elliot disproves this because his equally loving and philanthropic parents raise a greedy egotistical monster.

Then Simon Hurt enters the picture and what more need be said other than an organisation dedicated the corruption of virtue? In his own words you destroy a man's reputation and you destroy his soul and Bruce is targeted to have the utter destruction of a noble soul.

I'd like this as a trilogy of films, because as others pointed out, they're also far removed from the typical "Gotham is endagered" films we've seen with Batman, Batman Returns, Batman & Robin, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight Rises. Instead, we have personal films, Jason is a son attacking his father, and he highlights Bruce's ineffectiveness as a crimefighter. Thomas is a purely personal vendetta out of spite. Thomas tries to ruin everything ever considered noble about all of the Wayne's.

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