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Old 03-08-2013, 01:00 PM   #106
Anno_Domini
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Default Re: Your top 5 things that needs to be "fixed" for the Batman reboot

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Originally Posted by DACrowe View Post
I have none of that. But a thread about what needs to be fixed which consists, other than of Detective skills (hence the one getting heavy discussion), of nitpicks.

The thing is, every filmmaker will attempt to make the mythos their own in some way. If the next guy "fixes" many of these relatively superficial points, he will make other changes that will just piss off the purists. It is a game that will never be won.
Thank you!

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Originally Posted by MessiahDecoy123 View Post
Dude. If you don't like what I'm saying just ignore it. How is insulting someone who never disrespected you ever justified?

For some one who isn't dense themselves you act like being civil on a superhero forum is rocket science.
So instead of acknowledging your mistake, you'd rather try to call out on me not being civilized.

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Have you watched "City of Scars"?
Of course I did, but I don't view that suit being great on a full-fledge live-action film either.

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Originally Posted by Shikamaru View Post
How is that dumbing down your own vision? Dumbing down your own vision would be using an idea not as good as the one intended. So as long as there are no problems with the new suit, I don't see how it is dumbed down. Regardless of what the director had in mind, it is all about the quality in the end and the new suit looks like it's possibly going to be the best suit we ever got in live-action.
And the TAS-M 2 suit isn't as good, for thematic reasons. The first suit fit with the "grounded" idea Webb was trying to create and that idea has to be thrown out with the new suit now.

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The first suit was a rough draft. Assuming Peter finds way better materials and better design, I don't see why he wouldn't change it completely.
How does he find way better materials on his salary of literally nothing then?

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Everything except the spider logos on the front, back, the amount of blue near the waist area, and the raised webbing. I do see a bit of the old suit there and it's enough for me. And the suit isn't that similar to the Raimi suit either. Only things they have in common are the raised webbing (which the TASM suit had too) and the honeycomb fabric pattern. Everything else including the coloring is completely different. Raimi's suit is a straight adaptation of the comics suit so it is a bit silly IMO to expect no similarities at all whatsoever between the new suit and the Raimi suit since they're both trying to be really spot on to the suit we all know.
Imo, it's simply not enough to remember of the old suit. A few ideas from the old says nothing about keeping the essential idea of the old suit.

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The Dead End suit? You mean the cheap spandex suit from a low budget fan film made ten years ago?
And that's what it is. A cheap spandex suit that wouldn't look great on a film.

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Picture the Arkham Asylum/City suit on the big screen. That's the type of fabric suit I'm talking about. That's what Batman should wear.
The Asylum/City fabric is more of armor than fabric.

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The Dead End costume is not a good example because it is essentially a spandex suit. Batman does not wear spandex in the comics but fabric. He's just often drawn as if he's wearing spandex because it visually looks better in the comics and is easier & faster to draw than fabric.

Here are some low budget fabric suits....

From a low-budget porn parody:
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From the low-budget City of Scars fan film:


Only change I would do to these is to remove the black undies.

A nice photoshop image I found online:


I'll leave this fan-art here too:
Yah...I don't like any of these examples, lol.

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If the people behind these images made the suit from the comics look good with little to no money, I don't see why Hollywood can't do it.

Lighting will play a major part too. Batman spends most of his time in the dark and whenever he doesn't, he usually has his cape covering most of his costume.
I don't see "Hollywood" trying to make some spandex suit for Batman, and especially fabric for that matter.

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Originally Posted by The Guard View Post
Batman as a creature of the shadows not just suddenly dropping that approach with no real exploration, then adopting it again with no real exploration.
If you're speaking on TDK, yes, I agree that's something Nolan dropped the ball at as he was very much this "creature of the shadows" in BB and TDKR.

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Bruce Wayne not just forgetting about his parents and their legacy for huge periods of time.
He didn't really do this. I mean, he dropped the ball on his parents' legacy because of the energy fusion project, but it hurt to where he becomes a recluse.

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Come on now.

Look, I like Zimmer's theme. It's very cool. It's memorable, and it works well for the films. It's not remotely as classic as Elfman's, nor, by any objective standard, is it as impressive a piece of music.
It's why I said it's all opinion. To you and to Messiah, it may not be memorable, but I can remember every tune to Nolan's trilogy as much as Elfman's theme for Batman.


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