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Old 03-13-2013, 01:07 PM   #31
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Default Re: The Joker (The Dark Knight) vs. Bane (TDKR)

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
You're really trying to give Joker the winning factor when he uses pipes, dogs and a knife over Bane using his fists? Lol.

Atleast when Joker lost he didn't pull a shot gun out on his enemy who is defenseless and tied up.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
A protector = a lackey?

Yup, Talia was the brains of the organization, Bane was clearly the brawn. He helped her try and destroy the city, just like he helped her escape the pit.

The exchange at the end with the "twist" really takes Bane to an all new low. He wasn't excommunicated for being too extreme, he was excommunicated because Talia had daddy issues with Ra's, and Bane reminded Ra's of the horrors of the pit prison. Bane didn't make the climb, Talia did. Bane wasn't overlooking the street fight from city hall like a commanding general, Talia did (he was out there with the troops). The energy orb? Talia. The stock exchange? You can see Talia walk in as Miranda Tate by the shoe shiners right before Bane showed up.

All Bane did was the dirty work, Talia was the one in command. After the reveal, Barsad doesn't stay with Bane does he? No, he escorts Talia to the Tumbler.

Bane is really no different than Batman and Robin Bane, the only difference is, Bane in TDKR is actually intelligent (well, sort of, he did let Bruce recuperate inside the cell), can talk and actually says more than "Bane", "bomb" and "monkey". Then again, what TDKR Bane states is ridiculous and hard to hear, unless you watch the movie over and over again and/or have the subtitles on and familiarize yourself with the film.

Bane "done right", has yet to be done. As soon as they made him an ex-LoS and Talia's babysitter and made him cry, they chopped off any balls Bane had. He wasn't even his own man. Would have been nice if he wanted the city for himself (and break it's protector, Batman) like a true revolutionary leader/mercenary with ideals instead of a half assed lie to troll the city for 5 months.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
So would Kham be only a lackey to the war elephant Kohm in your eyes too?

I don't even know what you're referencing.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
And I get the difference what Bane did in Knightfall, but in simplest form, Bane fought a weakened Batman. And Bruce was still in great physical shape in TDKR, just eight years off his prime(and even more cocky than what he was in TDK).

Except it was Bane who weakened Batman in Knightfall. It was Bane's intent of tiring Batman down in Knightfall by releasing criminals and super criminals. It was part of Bane's strategy.

In TDKR? Bruce is weak even before he even discovers Bane, and it certainly isn't Bane's doing, if anything it's actually the Joker's.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
Hans Landa is better than the Joker as well.

I respectfully disagree, though Landa is up there (as opposed to "down there" where Bane is).

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