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Old 03-18-2013, 11:34 PM   #23
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Default Re: Luke Cage introduced in Avengers 2, Hulk blasted into space

Originally Posted by InternetPeople View Post
Experimenting on prisoners is akin to torture which is wrong. When the outcome could be a super powered villain, that is stupid. Why would you give someone who obviously does not possess a good moral compass super human abilities? That is stupid on it's face. You don't have to be smart to realize that. What if whle experimenting on a prisoner you make a Hulk type character? You're ****ed. Right there is the problem.

I am not a comic writer, nor do I read comics. I like the films and I want to know more about the stories and characters that will be added. I am not about to try my hand at creating an origin for a character I am unfamiliar with (nor am I dumb enough to open myself to that kind of scrutiny). That said, if I were writing comics I wouldn't make the origin story something as silly as experimenting on a prisoner. It's illogical and lazy.

Having Cage be a good guy and just wrongfully imprisoned is too convenient and ridiculous to be easily accepted. Remember in Spider-Man 3 when Sandman escaped? He was running through a field that just happened to have an experiment running which turned him into Sandman? Yeah, that was awfully convenient timing guys. If that is the origin story then so be it, but it is lazy writing and the fans noticed. Maybe there are too many characters and you needed some unique way for a character to get his powers. OK but that doesn't change the fact it's kinda weak writing.

If you read what I wrote, I did like the idea of AIM or HYDRA having a hand in Cage's creation, as those organizations don't care about laws or morals. Don't get all defensive (I rather enjoy talking to you). You don't have any more invested in these characters than I do. We're both merely fans.

I am a little surprised you are willing to go along with the Marvel origin considering the obvious logic issue at play with Cage's prisoner origin. Whether you agree it is lazy or not, there is still a problem. That's all I am saying.
Sure, experimenting on prisoners is torture and morally wrong. But the people who did it in the comics were morally wrong. Heck, they did it for purely racist reasons. Not everybody who wears a "good guy hat" is actually a good guy at all. In the 1970s, when the character and his backstory were conceived, this was all edgy and groundbreaking stuff --- dealing with crooked cops/wardens, overt racism, torture and abuse in the prison system....It helped define who Luke Cage is, a guy who absolutely does not trust authority figures or people who pretend to be "good guys." If you just make his captors scenery-chewing villains like AIM or HYDRA, then it totally changes Cage's persona and his reason for becoming a superhero. Instead of becoming the mercenary free spirit we all know and love, he'd turn into a typical hero who's out for revenge against the bad guys who wronged him. Been there, done that. *That's* lazy writing.


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