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Old 03-21-2013, 10:52 PM   #97
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Default Re: Captain America 2: News and Speculation - Part 2

Originally Posted by InternetPeople View Post
First, Sam, you need to speak for yourself and not for everyone else. Cite a poll or something, don't just run off and say what everyone thinks. You don't know what the audience is thinking.

Second, you can have Cap feeling out of place. What is boring is having Cap go to the corner store for the sake of going to the corner store. Unless it does something to advance the plot, it shouldn't be included because it's boring. Too many scenes that don't work for the plot really drags on a film. Besides, I don't think there will be enough time to focus on Cap struggling when the film needs to introduce Falcon, VanCamp's character, several baddies and the actual plot. Rehashing something the audience should know is boring.

I'm not saying there won't be something that shows Cap struggling, what I am saying is that it won't be shoved in the audience's face the way I think some of you have suggested. The corner store could work if in the store Widow or Fury or someone shows up and initiates conversation leading into the plot. The corner store or whatever needs to work toward something otherwise it could be cut and the audience wouldn't miss anything.

A corner store scene where he just has an issue can add depth to Cap's character, sure, but I think this is stuff the films (CA:TFA and Avengers) have already touched on and going over it again is just boring. The audience was already shown Cap is confused and wondering where he is at the end of the Cap film. During Avengers, Cap and Fury have the bet for $10 and the flying monkeys reference. We also have the Stephen Hawking/smart guy thing with Coulson. The audience should be aware Cap is out of place by now. Spending more time focusing on just that will be boring and slow the progression on the film.

How many films do you want that focuses on Cap being out of place? Is he always going to be amazed by a microwave or a cellphone or a television? Eventually he will need to get over it.
You need to learn a lot about story structure. Story evolves from character as well as plot. Again, if people aren't invested in your characters, they don't care about your plot. Watching a stranger die on film is meaningless. Watching someone you know and care about, even if you only just "met" them a few minutes ago, die on film has an entirely different and much more potent impact. Similarly, people are going to care a lot more about Cap if they feel immersed in the role and feel the same disconnect in time and place that Steve does.

Originally Posted by Whiskey Tango View Post
Yes, because that's exactly what everyone is asking for. Personally I'm hoping for a scene where he learns he doesn't have to poop outdoors anymore.

....So, I guess what you're saying is guys *don't* poop outdoors, then....? Ah, crap, I knew it....I'm the only one who still does...


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