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Old 04-10-2013, 09:12 PM   #103
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Default Re: Bane's place in the rogues gallery post-Rises

Originally Posted by batfreakforever View Post
Is Bane really the anti-Batman in TDKR? If so what makes him the anti-Batman? Did Nolans/Goyer give Batman & Bane more incommon with eachother that the comics? Is it as simple as Bane can't take off his mask and move past his pain but Bruce/Batman can and is that another reason why the film-makers made it so Bane couldnt take off the mask? Or reasons why he made them both train by Ra's? Bruce survived 8yrs without Batman but Bane could'nt without his mask? Lindy hemming said something like Bane wears armour because he damaged his back but Bruce also gets his back damaged and is able to recover (maybe nolan didnt want that said in the film cause it might be too on the nose?) I think it was good that they didn't make Bane afraid of bats thats why he goes for Batman, I like the LOS reasons better!
Excerpt from an analysis I wrote:

Another parallel between Bruce and Bane is their pain. This will be, in part, discussed more in depth later when I focus on The Pit. But, there is a bit I’d like to talk about here regarding that. The two both are forced to deal with pain, physically and psychologically for Bruce and physically for Bane. The difference is that Bruce is forced to go through a character arc to escape his pain and to rise above it. Bane, on the other hand, uses medication to escape his pain. Bane avoids his problems like Bruce did before Bane sent him to The Pit and suffers from the same fatal flaw Bruce made during their first encounter: arrogance. Bruce has learned from his mistakes but Bane hasn’t had to learn, he’s hidden from his pain with a mask. And what did they state was the main theme (like fear and chaos in the previous films) of the film?

The Pit is where majority of Bruce’s character arc occurs. A remote location in an unknown presumably Middle Eastern country where people are thrown to die. But what is the true meaning of The Pit? What is it really? For that, we first must look at a quote Christopher Nolan once used to describe Bruce, “a man frozen in time.” Then we must ask the obvious question: when is he frozen? One could say he’s frozen to when his parents died but that’s not what the film suggests. The film suggests that Bruce is frozen when he fell into the well in the opening of Batman Begins.

The Pit is a very obvious metaphor for the well that Bruce fell in as a child, the well that he is frozen in time within. What happened when he fell in the well? His father pulled him out. He never escaped that well for himself. He’s been trapped in that well his whole life. This is reflected in dialogue such as Alfred’s insistence on Bruce finding a life outside of the cave (which, of course, is connected to the well). Bruce climbing from The Pit is not just an escape or him feeling fear again, instead it’s an escape from a moment he has been frozen in his entire life. He’s escaping the well he never escaped for himself, escaping a mental barrier he’s created and finally ready to escape from. He’s finally ready to let go of the pain and anger that drove him to become an empty shell by the beginning of the film.

He’s finally able to live. This is the darkest irony of the film for me, Bane is the one that allows Bruce to learn how to live by robbing him of the one thing he’s always been able to fall back upon: Batman. Bruce is only able to undergo his character arc when he has been stripped of his illusions and can see clearly what he is without Batman: nothing. This propels him to live as Bruce Wayne, not just as Batman.

I said we’d return to Bane and now is the time. Bane, as mentioned before, is a dark reflection of Bruce. This was most obvious with parallels like both training and then leaving the League (Bane excommunicated, Bruce leaving voluntarily) but is reinforced through some much more subtle parallels between the two. A common complaint about Bane is that him not escaping The Pit weakened him as a character. I disagree. Bane is a monster. A man fuelled by hatred but still grappling with his own humanity. A man divided and unable to reconcile with himself. Bruce escapes from The Pit for himself, finally escaping a mental block and becoming the master of his own destiny. Much like Bruce was stuck in the well still before escaping, Bane is stuck in the Pit still. Bruce was saved from the well by his father and Bane was saved from The Pit by Ra’s. Bane never escaping The Pit is a metaphor for his mind. He never escaped that mental barrier that Bruce does while in The Pit. This mental barrier is allowing anger to rule his life. Bruce allowed this until his escape and Bane allows this until his demise. This is why he fails. Bruce has risen and has moved on from the anger while Bane allows it to control him. Look at two shots in the film:

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What is the difference between the two? Bruce is screaming in the first. He’s yelling in anger and frustration. He’s controlled by his anger. The second shot has Bruce calm, collected and ready. He’s already beaten Bane and risen above what Bane could ever hope to be.

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