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Old 05-29-2013, 01:43 PM   #80
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Default Re: Updated Rating for The Dark Knight Rises

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
It's not a matter of "maybe, maybe not" at all. Bruce Wayne was set on leaving Batman to be with Rachel in The Dark Knight when he couldn't have the girl in Batman Begins while being Batman.
There was still no reaction to Alfred lying.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
Sometimes there doesn't need to be consequences, as for example, what happened with Alfred telling the truth about Rachel's letter, there didn't have to really be consequences for that.
All the purpose of anything happening in any narration is what happens with it, not just that happens. That's why Bruce Wayne's story doesn't end when he becomes Batman. ity's more like that's precisely when the whole story become more interesting. The consequences of it is what matters.

Romeo and Juliet's story doesn't end with them declaring their love. The consequences of it are what matters.

But specially lies. Lies do have consequences. If they don't they just make for lazy storytelling, where key elements are set and no fruition come from it. Just bare mentions.

But if you think there are no needs for consequences, considering those lies were precisely big part of what kept us wanting to keep following this story, please tell me how so.

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
He clearly didn't at first, but then when Alfred became far more emotional during this conversation, Bruce did start to believe his butler. Much better than a monotone butler telling Harry Osborn that his father was a killer
Everything is.

But tell me what made you think that. because as far as what can be quoted and seen, nothing clearly showed that Bruce believed him. And if he did, he didn't care much for the lie, so him believing Alfred would be unimportant and irrelevant (in which case, why having Alfred lying in the first place?)

Originally Posted by Anno_Domini View Post
Telling the truth is the resolution. Rachel's letter being revealed didn't need some consequence because there would be no such thing as some consequence besides Alfred fearing he'd have to leave if telling the truth still doesn't make Bruce move on and the people of Gotham still had their "day in court" so to speak with Gordon, albeit it was a kangaroo court.
You're saying Alfred, the closest man to our hero, the one Batman trust the most in the world, lies about something this big... and the natural thing to happen is that Bruce doesn't care?

Lazy writing. If anything, maybe not a reaction at first, but somewhere in the story. Otherwise, again, why setting a stage where nothing will happen. Good storytelling comes from big drama, not flat resolution.

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