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Old 06-04-2013, 02:28 AM   #317
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Originally Posted by NolanDCU View Post
Financially successful doesn't equate to quality, and you're more than intelligent enough to realize that.
Opinions of quality do not equate facts. That comes down to individual preferences, types, tastes. What you consider quality, awesome, appealing, exciting, interesting, relatable, funny, sexy, scary or emotionally moving isn't necessarily the same as what I respond to in those ways.

Each one of those films weren't as successful as their predecessor (aside from BF being more marketable to families thus the financial success) ...
That doesn't make them disasters.

Superman II was ruined with the replacement of Donner and then adding even more cheese and tongue in cheek-ness than what was already dating aspects of the '78 film.
Your opinions and preferences aside, Superman II was financially successful and still has it's fans, which doesn't equate a disaster.

Batman Returns was obviously a very alienating film among the fan base. And it didn't have the commercial appeal of it's predecessor.
That doesn't make it a disaster.

It still most likely would've failed as a film though in terms of quality. Seems like from leadership down the focus of the movie was still in the wrong place, as it was ALL the WB films post Batman '89. The focus wasn't on the material, the source, or being a quality film. The focus of the studio and producers was their business ties with toy companies and other merchandising venues.

Superman Lives was no different. Just look at all the unused toy concept art that was being designed before the finalized film aesthetics were. It was influencing the design process. Which is terrible. It should be the other way around, when the look for the film is finished then the merchandising companies get the blueprints to make their products.
If they would have let Tim Burton direct the film as he wanted then the focus would have been on story and art, and wouldn't have been on soullessly promoting toy sales and happy meals.

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Wow, brilliant post, man. Seriously, I couldn't possibly counter debate that. That post is a thing of beauty and a joy forever. You're obviously a true scholar of Batman lore
You've convinced me. Well played, sir. It's great to debate with someone who has the hard facts to back up what they say

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