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Old 06-12-2013, 11:55 PM   #114
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Default Re: The TDKR General Discussion Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part

Originally Posted by BatLobsterRises View Post
I could go on forever about how the Nolan films made Batman cool again and how much that meant to me. Before 2005, I know my friends thought my Batman obsession was kind of random and goofy. Like, they liked Batman, were fans of TAS, but they thought the movie franchise was a dry well that had no chance of ever becoming big again. I was trying to get them hyped up for Batman Begins, and they were cautiously optimistic at best. Then it came out and it blew them ALL away. It was such a feeling of vindication. For the next seven years, through TDK and TDKR it felt great to always have Batman as a major topic of discussion/speculation. It really felt like the whole world around me had joined in on the fun of being a Batman fan, and it was no longer seen as some nerdy obsession. It became everyone's obsession.

So yeah, we've definitely undergone what I like to call a "Batman renaissance period" over the past decade, which has spilled into video games too which is awesome. Maybe it'll fall back in the dumps some day, but I'm just really grateful that this hit for me at the perfect age (19-26). It makes me really proud that in the era of the comic book film, it's the Batman movies that are seen as the most adult. That's exactly how it should be IMO. I feel like this series gave fans the closest thing to an R-rated product (which I think we all kind of secretly long for) without actually going there. It pushed it as far as it could go while still being something younger teens can go see. A perfect balance of commercial appeal and artistic vision, something so many films in this genre struggle to balance. Ugh, I just love these movies so much. They meant the world to me, all three of 'em. I know it's corny to keep gushing but I can't help it. I get very nostalgic when I reflect on the trilogy.

At least we still have the Ultimate Edition release to look forward to
Very well said. That is the way things should remain even in the reboot.

The adult tone is what I love the most about these films. It amazes me when I hear people say that TDK is not a good comic book movie because "it's too adult" or "it's not fun enough" or anything among those lines. I can completely understand not liking TDK due to those reasons but that is purely a taste issue. To state these issues as being objective and legitimate flaws about the film is ludicrous IMO. What that shows to me is that there are tons of people out there who think that superhero stories are all about fun lighthearted silly men in tights fighting bad guys that are also in tights and that you cannot tell any serious or mature stories, despite the fact that comics are just a medium just like movies and everything else. These people are ridiculously simplifying the comic book medium and I think that they are partly responsible for the kiddish image that CBM's have in the eyes of the GA. If the fans themselves are going to close off comics to a genre and not acknowledge them as a medium, then why should the GA do so? The apparent fans do not.

On top of that, the tone of TDK is not some revolutionary idea that Nolan came up with. It was taken straight from the comics. The dark tone of TDK is something that is present in most Batman comics today, especially in the more realistic crime drama stories that take place in Batman's early career. There are even stories that are far darker than anything in the Nolan films, such as The Dark Knight Returns.

Think about the following. Imagine that the entire concept of Batman did not exist and it was something Nolan entirely came up with. Would there be anyone objectively criticizing the films for not being "fun enough" or "lighthearted enough" or anything like that? There wouldn't be for the same reasons why The Godfather doesn't get those criticisms. I feel that the stigma that comic books have is greatly responsible for those criticisms.

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