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Old 07-19-2013, 11:57 PM   #17
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Default Re: OK...its time.....Man of Steel vs Superman Returns - Part 1

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Originally Posted by herolee10 View Post
To be honest, I don't really think SR could even qualify for having a decent subplot considering on how the whole situation between Superman and Lois in SR was something that many hated; let alone the fact that another issue was on how Routh and Bosworth really had no chemistry with each other on screen.
I disagree about the chemistry. It wasn't one of the biggest couples ever seen but far from terrible (specially considering it wasn't close to how unbearable the Maguire/Dunst or Bale/Holmes duos did).

But I agree - and have said so loads of times myself - that the premises of the movie should have been fleshed put a lot more.

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I mean how could they think that people would root for Superman and Lois to be together if she's with a guy that's as nice and great like Superman, but without powers, and some would even argue that Richard White was a better person, in terms of characterization at least, than Superman was in SR.
If someone has been in love and had to leave only to find at their return that the woman they love is with someone else, they can root for it.


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Making Richard White a good guy and not a selfish cheating loser just so the audience can root for them to break up was a good idea imo. It made the whole situation more difficult and interesting while avoiding played out tropes.
Absolutely.

Anyone else would have resorted to the jerk new boyfriend cliche without thinking about it twice.

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I liked the love triangle subplot in Returns. I hope they have a love triangle subplot in Man of Steel 2, but this time with another female who tries to take Clark form Lois. It shouldnt go very far, but they need to throw some problems into their relationship. Maybe a Chloe-like character from Smallville.
Cue Lana Lang.

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Another huge problem with Superman returns was that he was waaaay too powerful. Once again the only way to put a scratch on him was kryptonite. In Man of Steel Superman still has to use his Superspeed to try and avoid things as theres now consequences for taking a direct hit and not bracing for it.
But that's because he's confronted with other Kryptonians as powerful as he is. Kryptonite and Kryptonians have always been the ones in movies.


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This is understated to be honest, every review of Superman Returns (at least video-wise) have highlighted how the reviewers felt that they were going to get a rebooted Superman, until they realized it was a copypasta'd Donner film. People were ready to move on from Donner's Superman, and yet the audience was sucked back into it, almost out of necessity. Even then, the film also suffers from writing Superman as someone we still can't relate to, or understand (which is why I appreciate MOS' take on Clark/Kal-El as an outsider trying to blend in).
I completely understand him. In the real world, you cannot always stay with the person you love, your beloved woman's new boyfriend is not always a jerk you can just defeat by presence, and certainly you feel alone many times.

But by being a sequel, it forced people to be fully aware of STM and SII and all that happened in them. And strategically speaking that was a too big risk.


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Originally Posted by GREEN =w= DAY View Post
Superman having a kid was downright stupid
Ok. But please tell me why.


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Originally Posted by Jegan View Post
Man of steel by a mile not even close..

Flaws with SR..

1) stupid idea to make it a sequel to S2... it was a love story to Donner. Whoever came up with this idea is a moron.
Sequels to successful popular movies. No, not only morons think of them.

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2) Having a kid --> really? in what world does this make sense moving forward
In the world where the inherent themes of a movie are not disregarded but taken as starting points to develop the characters from.

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3) Brandon Routh as Clark kent - i found him way to awkward - way to stiff... HC killed it overall, i know he didn't play the reporter role yet, but as far as acting chops HC>>BR
He was the same as Reeve, as it was a sequel, but IMO he was a little better than Reeve, more believably clumsy and awkward.

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4) Lex Luthor done wrong again! I have no problem with lex... i say bring in Lex as a political power house.. maybe as a senator or even better president... but what kind of moron decides to bring up a lex that is essentially a 2000 version of the old movies... terrible terrible idea!!!
Basically all the adaptations of a character are a whatever-the-year version of something already done. I am not the biggest fan of this version of Lex either.

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5) Superman doesn't throw a damn punch! how is that even possible.
How is that even necessary?

He didn't throw a punch in STM either.

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After that horrid display i'm not sure if i can watch anything singer related..terrible
Sometimes I haven't liked one song/album of a band that I like. I won't dislike that band's future and past works because that just make no sense.


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Well said blu...Who were those people???...
Other actors, just like when Schumacher replaced Bruce Wayne/Batman for his sequels, or when suddenly Rachel Dawes looked like Maggie Gyllenhaal. I think all of us' intellects can figure out this one.

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