Originally Posted by Comics N' Toons
Returns is a film that slightly builds on Batman 89, throws in bits of Beetlejuice and Scissorhands and calls itself THE RETURN of BATMAN!
It was Pfeiffer-FAN who said something to the effect of it would have been great to get a proper sequel that built on the first Batman in the Returns thread. Pfeiffer-FAN is right. We didn't get gangsters and a nightmarish villain from the 70's and 80's comic books. We got Tim Burton creations all throughout a film that supposedly starred Batman from the 89 film.
I agree with this 100 percent.
It wasn't really a proper sequel to the first movie. It was like a dreamworld or alternate universe to 89'. Burton's fetishes featuring some characters twisted around to fit his needs. This movie could have been called Penguin or Catwoman because Batman played third wheel to the story. He was pretty much in it as much as Max Shrek and like him had a non-heroic role but felt like he was just thrown in there so the studio can call it "Batman Returns".
The grit, the gangsters, mercenaries, whatever..just real people to fight batman..that's what feels like a Batman movie to me! With all his dark heroism and tragedy. That was like..non-existent.