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Old 08-01-2013, 08:42 AM   #663
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Default Re: am I the only one who DIDN'T think Nicholson nailed joker??

Originally Posted by NosfeRomas View Post
I hate Jim Lee's Joker but i really do not get what you mean with transgender/crossdresser wannabe. That, along with sadomasochism have always been arround the Joker. It has been well-established that he reinvents himself, he is not only 1 person but multiple with the same basic characteristics, of a clown. Clowns originate from the Ancient Greeks and the rites of Dionysus where sexuality and transgenderism was something pretty common, especially in festivals and in theatre. So taking from that and from the fact that Joker is basicaly everything that exists, character wise we have come to todays joker.

Writers have taken these elements and incorporated them into the Joker.
Grant Morrison treats joker like an entity and batmans polar opposite. He is not only a villain but also an omen of things to come. I see nothing bad about a writer expressing his own take on a character. Also that's not entirely the writer but also the artist has a say in how tha characters is pictured.

Personaly i would be really bored with just the gangster-joker.
What I meant was that when I see some guys dressed up in a Joker costume they are not menacing at all and the way they put that make up and the lipstick on them with the forced frozen smile on their face is so wrong to my eyes that no matter how faithful they are to the comics version, they are looking more like a guy who just wishes or pretends to be a woman unfortunately though.

I know there have been transgender undertones in most of his versions with all that Joker reinventing himself, but it is not my cup of tea anyways. Uh, still the Morrison Leatherface version is taking it to the extreme.

Originally Posted by NosfeRomas View Post
Btw : The Cosplayer did an amazing job !
Not to offense that guy of course and he did a great job coming up with that costume by himself, but just imagine Ledger's Joker or those Pacino photos next to that cosplay Joker. Who would strike you as more threatening and frightening?

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