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Old 08-05-2013, 03:41 AM   #144
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Default Re: X-Men 3...seriously fans/people--WHY all the hate?

Originally Posted by jaymes_e06 View Post
X1 Storm hardly spoke so...

If the X3 script was so good why did Matthew Vaughn run off and do Kick-Ass? Since we're asking irrelevant questions... and how's that plot anything like Watchmen?
You do realize that Matthew Vaughn was responsible for the X-Men 3 script, right?

Originally Posted by Alex Logan View Post
I could say the same thing about X-Men Days of Furture Past, but we are not talking about Matthew Vaughn here.

Look, I'm not defending X-Men 3 here. I think all three of these films are pretty weak when it comes to being "X-Men" films. The thing I don't get is that X3 pretty much followed the tone and feel of the first two films and for some reason fans still hate it. It's not like Batman Forever where they changed everything up.

I swear that if X3 had "Directed by Bryan Singer" at the front of it fans would love it. It seems he can do no wrong in the fan community. I just got done watching the X-Men panel from Comic Con. The most interesting part was when Anna Paquin spoke about who she would play if she wasn't playing Rouge. She said Wolverine unless Rogue could fly. Guess what? Rouge can fly, she just can't fly in the X-Men films because Bryan Singer made a bad choice. That character has never been given the right treatment on film and I can't forgive Singer for that. And just to take it back to Matthew Vaughn for a second, he NEVER got his due for the best X-Men film to date. Fans still give all the credit to Singer.

You don't see how this part is exactly like the end of Watchmen?
1.) Rogue's characterization, while not the popular Southern Belle, smash and bash persona we know from the cartoon, is still a very accurate depiction to how she's been written in the comics for years. Also, we already have one indestructible, invincible mutant in Wolverine. Do we really need 2?

2.) The reason why I don't give credit to Vaughn for X-Men: First Class is because he's the man responsible for most of what's wrong with X-Men: The Last Stand, and he would have been responsible for even worse elements of the film had he stuck around. I don't believe for a second that Vaughn would have made a better X-Men 3 after hearing some of the ideas he had for it.

There's also the fact that Vaughn is more interested in making "Matthew Vaughn" films than X-Men films. In all the interviews for X-Men: First Class, all he could talk about was how he wanted to make a James Bond film, and it shows. X-Men: First Class, while great, and probably my favorite of the series, and maybe even so much as my favorite movie of all time, is also very juvenile and immature in many areas. A deleted scene has a cross-dressing Magneto, the film itself already has Beast groping a mannequin, the movie is loaded with played out cliches like spinning booths into secret rooms, breakaway submarine headquarters, CIA agent Moira McTaggert stripping down to her lingerie to enter the Hellfire Club, and horribly cheesy montages of maps blowing up, or nuclear bombs going off as Russian and American flags fly on either side. It was Bryan Singer who was in charge of the story, and I imagine was the one who kept the story as focused on the X-Men as it actually was. Read Vaughn's interviews when he was on board for X-Men 3 - he had little to no respect for Singer and his films. If Singer's influence wasn't present on X-Men: First Class, I actually fear for what we would have gotten. I truly, honestly feel that X-Men: First Class is great in spite of Matthew Vaughn, not because of him. I fear for the X-Men 3 we would have gotten with him in charge, and I fear for the X-Men: First Class we would have gotten if Singer wasn't on board to have his influence over the project.

So glad Vaughn is gone, and I hope he won't be anywhere near another X-Men project.

I'm no Singer fanboy. Don't get me wrong, I love Singer, I love his X-Men films, and I love the direction that he took with them, grounding them in reality, making them character driven, and focusing on the characters and the world around them. But in many ways, I also feel that Singer held the franchise back from what it could have been. I love X-Men and X2, but no matter what people say about X-Men: The Last Stand, I will always love that movie (and even X-Men Origins: Wolverine) for allowing these characters to open up a little bit and not be so restrained.

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