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Old 09-22-2013, 04:15 PM   #444
Loki882
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Default Re: Marvels biggest slap in the face!!!

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Originally Posted by OcStat View Post
The primary difference is in the films he isn't acting on his own will as much as listening to what his added arms tell him to do. It makes Ock a puppet, in a way. I suppose it could be argued he was more insane than the film would like you to think and the arms aren't so much talking to him, but his insanity projects his own malevolent desires into something he can communicate with. But the film makes it pretty clear the arms are talking directly to him, a separate entity which shares his brain. That isn't a minor difference. Ock is a megalomaniac, and a egotist, he wants to succeed no matter the cost, and prove to the world his genius. All his decisions, all his own doing.

Now to be fair, this stuff only dawned on me recently, when I realized in altering Dr. Octopus, they essential shafted the Lizard. The sympathetic scientist is supposed to be Curt Connors, but that characterization was taken. It is why Connors in Amazing has that feeling of "been there, done that" to some. Which makes me wonder why they left out his family as that would have been the biggest thing to set Connors apart. I have seen people say Amazing shouldn't touch Dr. Octopus because the portrayal in SM2 can't be topped. For these reasons, I disagree.

If I recall correctly, the "good side" of the Sandman started to come around in the 80's, most likely because the character was wearing thin, so the idea that he is just a common crook isn't too far off the mark. I thought Sandman was interesting in 3, and didn't initially mind the shooting ret-con (because at the end of the day, the incident is still Peter's fault, and he wouldn't let go of that guilt regardless). I didn't even mind that Peter forgives him, but the way that it all plays out in the film is undeniably "" worthy.
The biggest problem with the Sandman retcon is that it removes Peter motivation to be Spiderman in the first place. Peter had the power to stop that robber easily, but he chose not to for his own selfish reasons. As a result, the robber escaped and shot Uncle Ben. His death was partially Peter's fault, and Peter wants to make up for that by helping other people. That's where "with great power comes great responsibility" comes in. Sandman being the killer destroys that since it DIDN'T MATTER what decision Peter made, Uncle Ben would have died either way.

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