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Old 09-25-2013, 04:06 PM   #80
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Default Re: "...a man who is older and wiser than Clark Kent": Does this not worry anyone els

Originally Posted by Tempest View Post
Well, if your chief concern is that they remain the same age and experience level, I guess it would be a problem. :-)

I was just commenting that if they handle things well, it might not be so bad for Batman to be a little older.
Little? Based on everything we are hearing, Batman will not be a "little" older than Superman.

They don't need to have the exact same birthdays and start on the same day, or anything like that. They have to remain around the same age and experience level. Maybe Bruce is a little bit older, maybe Clark is. Maybe Bruce started a bit earlier, maybe Clark did.

And the "weary" part doesn't bother me too much...I know that my sister worked for children's services, and burned out after just three years. If Batman is basically fighting crime alone in Gotham, which is a *****ed up place on a good day, then it's easy to see how he could be worn out after just a few years.

So perhaps we're going to get a Batman who is inspired by Superman, and a Superman who gets to learn how to better fight his battles.

It would be a fair trade-off, and while their ages and experience levels differ, they'd be equals in the most important ways.
Every single part would make someone like me look as if they're jumping the gun too much when separated from context and from all the other facts. "Weary" as a single word description by itself? Kinda suspicious, but we don't even know what that even means. "Weary" combined with all the other descriptions we've used plus everything else we've been hearing from Snyder and WB separately? At that point, "weary" goes from "kinda suspicious" to "really suspicious".

Creating such big gap between their age and experience goes beyond just the idea of them being equals. It also changes their dynamic. Two 30 year old men with around the same level of experience have an entirely different relationship than a 30 year old man with a 40 year old man do (with that 40 year old man having done this since he was 30). They might still be close, but it still won't be the exact same relationship. You've essentially created an entirely new dynamic. There will always be an element of "mentor/older brother" in there. Imagine if they did the same thing to the Raphael/Leonardo dynamic of the TMNT. It's really a shame IMO, since the classic Batman/Superman dynamic is one of the best dynamics in all of comics.

Originally Posted by The Question View Post
I see what you're saying, but at the same time book learning isn't the same thing as experience. As much as he may have trained, he didn't actually start gaining any experience being Batman until his first night in the costume.
"Experience" maybe isn't the right word then. I guess the more correct statement is that Bruce has already prepared for the job better and has seen more of the evils of the world than Clark. Though even then, it wasn't entirely just book learning and physical training. There were times when he had his abilities put to the test - tests where he had to use everything he trained his body and mind for to survive.

Even if you were to argue that Batman needs a headstart to Superman, an age gap of 2 or 3 years and a career maximum of 5 years prior to Superman's debut is more than enough IMO. No point to get a late 30's/early 40's Batman next to an early 30's Superman.

Also, I disagree with the notion that he's a "monster in human form" and the "least human member of the Justice League."
To each his own, I guess. I always saw it that way. The rest of the team are for the most part just like us in their heart and personality but with powers. Batman is the least relatable, is obsessive, cynical, cold, calculative, etc. That's also part of what makes the Batman/Superman dynamic so interesting IMO - the demigod is the more human of the two at heart.

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