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Old 11-05-2013, 09:29 AM   #24
Loki882
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Default Re: Will Hawkeye Still be a Part of SHIELD in AoU?

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Originally Posted by cherokeesam View Post
No, Hawkeye didn't have a thing to do with SHIELD in 616; he was a circus trick-shot artist who became one of the Avengers For Avengers' Sake (like Giant-Man, Wasp, Vision, Scarlet Witch, Quicksilver, Wonder Man and plenty of other Avengers who are known only for being Avengers, and not solo artists).




That depends....are those "cops" actually mercenaries armed to the teeth, who are trying their damnedest to kill you for crimes you didn't commit?

And yes, everyone here, including me, knows full well that Hawkeye was "under the influence." But that doesn't hold up as a legitimate excuse in a court of law. If you're "not in your right mind," for whatever reason --- drugs, booze, insanity, mental retardation, Norse god controlling your mind --- the court takes all that under consideration regarding the question of premeditation. That doesn't address the issue of the penalty for the actual killings at all, though. Again, the charges would probably be lowered to some form of manslaughter, and most certainly wouldn't be labeled Murder One; but there's not a court in the world where Hawkeye wouldn't do at least *a little* jail time for his crimes.

Mental hypnosis, like the insanity plea, *isn't* the "get out of jail free" that opponents like to paint it to be --- you still get sentenced, you still do hard time in a hardcore asylum (not some Dr. Drew Malibu rehab resort), and the shrinks won't play softball on you. They'll make damn sure your brain gets "fixed" before they even think about letting you back out into public.

And it would make a pretty cool scenario for Hawkeye in AOU, anyway. The Avengers leading an actual jailbreak to bust him out of the looney bin, and give him a chance to redeem himself to the world? What's not to like?
YES, it IS a justification in a court of law. What happened to Hawkeye is not even REMOTELY the same as drinking, or doing drugs, or anything like that. To argue that the situations are even mildly similar is ludicrous. Hawkeye WASN'T mentally ill, he was under mind control. He was perfectly fine after the mind control was removed. Captain America immediately accepted him into the group when Black Widow indicated that he was fine. Also, he wasn't "under the influence" he was under complete mind control by a freaking God wielding a cosmic force of unlimited power. Let me repeat, it's not the same as those other things that you mentioned, AT ALL!!

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