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Old 11-10-2013, 04:46 AM   #113
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Default Re: David S. Goyer IS the Script Writer! - Part 2

Originally Posted by DA_Champion View Post
All very nice, but in Captain America's world and mind, Hitler was not the major German figure of world war II, the Red Skull was. So though that anti-German joke has meaning in our world, in his would it would have less meaning. It would be more equivalent to someone here referring to Himmler or Rommel, and I guarantee you that 90% of people on the street don't know who Himmler and Rommel were, just as they don't know who Hirohito was. Therefore, when Captain America made the following joke:

"You know, the last time I was in Germany and saw a man standing above everybody else, we ended up disagreeing."

It only makes sense in his world to assume he was referring to Red Skull, who was a man standing above everyone else when he was in Germany and they ended up disagreeing. However, the audience laughed because they thought it was a reference to Hitler.

All that aside from the fact that the joke is childish anti-German nonsense. What's the analogy between Loki and Hitler? They're both gathering a crowd of Germans. Hahahaha. Once more, if Loki had been in Los Angeles, and someone had made the same comment as CA but referring to Rodney King and not to Hitler, the audience would have laughed just as hard, but it would be recognized as silly and problematic.

So two problems have been demonstrated. The joke is offensive. And it's a continuity error. Carry on.
But Hitler exists in Cap's world too. Why do you think he was referring to Red Skull? I think he was referring to Hitler because of the entire context of the scene. Loki said some very fascist things which point to him being a Hitler figure. And the Holocaust survivor stood up in defiance to Loki. So even that was a reference to Hitler only.

I don't think Red Skull had anything to do with that scene.

And I personally didn't laugh at the moment, nor the audience. I thought it was a sombre heroic moment.

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