Originally Posted by blumatic
In TDK Batman didnt win. His goal throughout the film was to support, protect, and help Harvey replace himself as the person to save Gotham. And the Joker destroyed that. He corrupted the white knight. Batman kept the Joker alive but in never wanting to end his life (he had his chance to run the Joker over with the bat pod) it resulted in the destruction of Harvey Dent.
Batman did win in TDK.
His goal throughout the film was to support, protect, and help Gotham City.
Supporting Harvey was a means to that end. Joker corrupting Harvey was not about turning Harvey, but about breaking Gotham's spirit. As Batman prevented that by taking blame for Harvey's crimes, He saves Gotham's soul and therefore did not lose in TDK. At worst, Batman suffered a pyrrhic victory.
Originally Posted by jmc
No, that's not fair. People seem to conveniently forget that there was a 10 year old child involved and that if Batman did intend to 'kill' Dent like so many believe he was doing so at the risk of that young boys life - which is exact opposite of what happened. Dent death was collateral, Bruce's intention was to save the kid not worry about whether Dent would fall or not. Frankly how people can interpret it any other way, even after 5 years astounds me.
Not only that, but in TDKR Gordon plainly states in his letter "Batman did'nt murder Harvey Dent, he saved my boy."