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Old 11-22-2013, 08:46 PM   #11
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Default Re: Nolanís Batman Should Be in the Man of Steel Sequel

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I make these points in the link, but I wanted to share my ideas on how you could bridge Dark Knight Rises and Man of Steel through a 20-minute prologue in the MOS sequel (similar to the Krypton sequence in the first movie).

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After the events of Rises, Bruce has seemingly retired to live out the “clean slate” with Selina.
This was already implied in TDKR anyways.

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While these lovebirds are gallivanting across the European continent, Bruce is still keeping tabs on Blake as he tries to fill the Batman’s shoes.
What's the point of this? The fundamental point of TDKR is that Bruce has learned to let go of Gotham and anything pertaining to the Batman persona. By keeping track, Bruce Wayne is showing that he is unable to let go of his trauma, which contradicts Nolan's intended story.

By doing this, you're creating a plot hole for Bruce's character arc.

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Crime and lawlessness are at an all time high as Gotham is essentially a post-apocalyptic wasteland thanks to Bane and Talia.
How does this make sense? By saying this, you're negating the fact that Batman and the police waged war on crime (and Bane) and came out as winners. This negation, completely disregards the fact that order has been restored in Gotham and that corruption is at an all-time low.

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Blake has decided not to don the mantle of the Bat, but has taken on the identity of Nightwing to protect the city.
Ok.

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Unfortunately for Blake, he’s in way over his head. Having never properly trained to be a vigilante superhero, Nightwing is having a hard time keeping Gotham under control.
Ok.

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Since Batman eradicated all organized crime two movies ago, the crime Nightwing encounters is more decentralized and harder to tamp down.
How?

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Also, the “freaks” — folks like Killer Croc, Poison Ivy, Man-Bat, etc. — are all coming out of the woodwork. Perhaps as a result of the radioactive fallout from the bomb?
No. Just no. If you're going to create supervillains, you might as well give them powers like what Zod and Kryptonians had in Man of Steel. This gives rise to another fundamental issue: the tonal differences between Man of Steel and TDKT. Nolan intended his trilogy to be devoid of other superheroes and supervillains.

By doing this, you create another contradiction in the story where you have to explain why realism accounted for Bane, Ra's Al Ghul and to be essentially human, while the villains you mentioned are suddenly allowed powers that contradict realism. That being said, it's better to reboot Batman as a fantastical story in which all these villains exist as they should be, superpowered villains, instead of tonal differences.

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Upon seeing his fair city fall to worse ruin than even during the No Man’s Land of Bane’s reign of terror, Bruce returns to Gotham to help train his protege. For real this time.
Again, this contradicts Bruce's character arc. You do realize he let go of the Batman persona and he got over his trauma?

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The problem is that the return of Bruce royally pisses off Blake. You see, for the last year or so, Nightwing was operating under the pretense that Bruce was dead.
Again, this contradicts Bruce's character arc. You do realize he let go of the Batman persona and he got over his trauma?

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Now that he knows Bruce was alive the whole time (and left him alone to fend for himself in a post-nuclear-Gotham), he’s none too happy about it, and leaves the Cave.
Again, this contradicts Bruce's character arc. You do realize he let go of the Batman persona and he got over his trauma?

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Though the two are estranged, Blake continues to prowl the streets as Nightwing because Bruce is reluctant to put the suit back on.
Again, this contradicts Bruce's character arc. You do realize he let go of the Batman persona and he got over his trauma?

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Since his previous Batsuits have all been destroyed, Bruce is fashioning a new one (to resemble a Lee Bermejo-like design, natch) when all of the power in the Batcave goes out, and Zod’s message is played over the Bat-computer.
Again, the fundamental issue is that Nolan himself said there are NO other superheroes. Tonally, this does not make any sense.

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Pan down to the cowl in Bruce’s hand, then cut to Metropolis after Superman’s battle with Zod.
I'll just repeat this: "the fundamental issue is that Nolan himself said there are NO other superheroes."

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Night has fallen over the rubble of downtown Metropolis, and whose silhouette do we see surveying the damage?
Again, if Nolan intended for his trilogy to exist in realism, then what happened in Metropolis completely contradicts this tone. MOS does operate in realism, but the fundamental issue is that Nolan himself said there are NO other superheroes.

Can we just freaking leave TDKT alone? Jeez.

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