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Old 11-25-2013, 03:50 AM   #143
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Default Re: OK...its time.....Man of Steel vs Superman Returns - Part 1

Originally Posted by Azrael24 View Post
SR vs MOS- my thoughts.

Acting: MOS wins this by a mile, the best actor in SR is Kevin Spacey and honestly that is hardly his best work. Every character was better portrayed by their acting counterparts in MOS

Script: MOS. I honestly think SR had a very novel idea of having him 'return' to the screen and in the Superman universe. But it was very poorly executed and to lift the exact same plot from STM is just lazy. MOS, for me had a classic comic book plot, very good for an origin story same level as BB. People complain about the corny dialogue in MOS (where?) but SR had some horrible lines, "I'm always around." Really?

Music: MOS...omg. Anyone who didn't like the Hans Score..dunno what to tell you. John Ottman should only focus on editing or composing..not both in the same film, that is a bad decision by Singer. His score was very very very depressing.

Cinematography: MOS. SR was actually not bad, there were some very nice shots, but Snyder is known for this and is probably the best visual director in hollywood.

Romance: Here is where it gets interesting..I am actually going with MOS. Kate Bosworth is HORRIBLE. No chemistry between her and Brandon. The Superman in handcuffs interview with Lois is more romantic than any scene in SR. Just because you put two people close and play slow music doesn't emit need screen chemistry which they lacked. Same thing I feel about Tobey Maguire and Kirsten Dunst.

Superman: MOS. I'm sorry, I am a rabid Superman fan and I LOVED this Superman. This is the one I knew as a kid, I never felt like he didn't try to save people. I just felt like he was physically (finally) matched up so he couldn't just do everything. They made him a man, not a god. Thank you. SR..not so much...this Superman f***ed lois and then left earth without telling her for 7 years!? Yeah..okay.

Villains: MOS. Faora alone wins this category

I'm sorry, I just don't see how the two compare. SR made me defend Superman to friends who didn't like the character. MOS made those friends fans.
Boo-yaaa ! Agree 100% plus, my own thoughts.

1) the single thing that made me hate SR so much !

Superman, son of the greatest mind of Krypton,
Superman possessed of super-senses (X-ray vision, telescopic vision ) that are just part of his natural sensory apparatus
Superman, who has only ever faced one human who used Kryptonite against him....

SR wants us to believe that this Superman will land on an island, made, in large part OF THE ONE ****ING SUBSTANCE THAT CAN KILL HIM !
and then looked surprised when he gets his ass kicked, and nearly gets stabbed to death with it !

I just cannot accept Superman being that ****ING STUPID !!!!!!

I've argued this point to death and beyond with people, it just doesn't make sense -it's way past Tony picking a fight with the Mandarin, and not raising any defences, that's dumb......but nowhere near as galactically stupid as
what Superman did in SR.

(yeah, and he knocks up Lois and then buggers off to space, what a prick !).

Cavill's Superman is ten times the man that Routh's Superman was.
Like people have said, he may have godlike might, but he's not a god, he's fallible and that makes us like him more.

Also, there's no emotional payoff, Lex escapes the island and then is marooned on an island ha-ha-ha that's hillarious......**** you Bryan Singer !
(come on, after seeing those goons, and Lex kick the **** out of Superman,
they had a beating coming.....and instead most of them are crushed by rocks)

vs MOS, Zod tries to wipe out humanity, and Snap ! Superman ends the threat, once and for all.

At last Superman gets to throw a punch. The Smallville fight is the best
super-hero on Super-villain smackdown on screen to date.
(they fight in a hail of bullets and cannon fire, and don't even care !!! Awesomeness ! And Faora :1 US army : 0 , wow, she was badass
to the nth degree, best hench-person ever !)

2) SR is an un-original piece of **** !

Basically, it's an homage that's really just a re-hashing of a bunch of the elements of Donner and Reeve's films. Particularly when it comes to Lex Luthor:
- Lex Luthor finds the fortress of solitude, again.
-Superman saves a plane, again,
-Lex Luthor uses Kryptonite against Superman, again, and throws him into some water afterwards.
-Lex Luthor has a bunch of dumb goons, and a bimbo girlfriend, again.
- Lex Luthor's evil scheme is based around obtaining a market monopoly in real property (i.e. land).

**** me ! are there any original ideas in this film ?????

MOS is re-interpretation, that has all the key elements of the Superman myth, but with an original spin on them.
At least Snyder/Nolan and Goyer had the balls to come up with their own
ideas, or at least draw on source material that diverges significantly from

What they attempted to do, and I think largely succeeded, was bring
Superman into the 21st century, as we recognize it.

But this is all IMO. But come on, you walk out of MOS going "**** yeah!"
that "Welcome to the planet" line, sums up what the entire story was about,
a man finding his place in the world.

When I walked out of SR, I wanted to ask for my money back.

Don't even get me started on Lois Lane, Adams was a million times better than Bosworth - I've never been happy with how Lois was depicted onscreen, but Adams' Lois was likeable and finally cut the Gordian knot that is the central
problem with the character - not only does she know Clark is Superman/Kal-El, it's her that finds him !

or Zod, he was a much more understandable character than SR's Luthor.
Yeah, he's a bit crazy and a bit shouty, but he's not a cartoon character, like Lex.

So in summing up, MOS = epitome of awesome SR = epitome of crap.

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