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Old 01-25-2014, 11:11 PM   #133
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Default Re: Worst part of TASM

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I already said why in my original comment. If we don't agree, we don't agree.
No you didn't explain it. You just said that Peter's father research was the reason why he got bit by a spider and that it had interfered "with the character's essence." I was interested in the reasoning behind this.

Peter's contact with the spider is always motivated by his scientific curiosity. In the comics, it's because he is interested in radiation and now it's because he is interested in that specific experiment as it's part of his father's research. Only the origin of his motivation changes but not his natural scientific curiosity, nor the extraordinary nature of the accident. In neither case, Peter is aware that he's going to be bit by a radioactive spider (the event is equally unexpected). And in both cases, he's a good-hearted kid, shy, curious and nerdy; the essence never changes.

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Yeah, when did I say that? My praise of SM1 is limited to what was stated in that post. It was not a beat-for-beat glorification of one movie over the other. If it came off that way, here's clarification.
When you said: "The Raimi movie was wise enough to leave the parents well enough alone'" "that's what Spider-Man is about. SM1 knew that. TASM didn't" and "I still think that SM1 stands head and shoulders over TASM."

That sounds like putting one movie above the other (no matter if you said it in one or more posts, but they were two). Now, there's no problem whatsoever if you prefer SM1 over TASM. The problem is when you state something without backing your statement up (Peter's parents storyline "interferes with the character's essence") or when you criticize in one movie the very same things you don't in the one you think is much better.

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But why would she follow up this disgusting, outrageous display of aggression with a thinly-veiled insult? It feels so tame, and yes, BLAND. It doesn't click and I don't buy it, sorry.
You wanted "something to make [Flash] feel emasculated and foolish and humiliated." She did that. She nullified him in such a way he had to leave. He had no comeback, he knows he's not a bright kid when it's about his studies and thus he was humiliated. She treated him as what he is, a child.

Just what exactly did you have in mind?

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The SM1 equivalent was lame too, but TASM's feels so damned forced to me. Why would the Dad assume he could use the cranes if he can't make use of the billion tall buildings that are lining up the avenue? And I'm supposed to get all emotional when I'm aware that Spider-Man has never before needed cranes to swing, and he won't ever need them again? No way, Jose. The scene just falls flat to me.
So, you missed the part where he was shot in the leg and had problems swinging as he usually does? Check the movie, it's there.

Again, the scene is not about how the father knew that his plan was going to work, but that he had to do something to help the man who saved his son. Normally, Spider-man has to "fall" on building walls. With his leg hurt that becomes a problem.

And people appearing from nowhere just because Spider-man needed to be saved in that exact moment, that's the definition of forced.

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Are you really asking me to list them one by one? I've seen that brought up as a low point of the movie countless times. If you haven't too, then you haven't. I find that hard to believe, though.
You don't have to name them one by one. But since you stated that the scene "falls (for way too many people to ignore) completely flat," I thought that you had at least an idea of how many people they were. Because, according to you, that's why we can't ignore it.

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Let's keep the resentment to a minimum, shall we, guys? This is just a silly movie we're discussing here.
Then keep your accuracy to the maximum.


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I always hated how Peter casually took advantage of his powers at school (chucking a football at the crossbar and breaking the basketball net, which are both impossible, not to mention he did it in-front of the whole school, not a very bright choice for a supposed bright kid who makes his own Spidey suit and web-shooters).
That said, the kind of intelligence to build a machine and the one to make good decisions in everyday life are different.

That said, taking advantage of his powers is what he does, it's part of the story. It's like when Peter fought Flash in Raimi's movies.

Now, what he did with the football went unnoticed. And the basketball thing was like Peter beating Flash Thompson (the strongest bully around) in front of the whole school, moving and jumping like he did, even punching the bully good 20 meters and after the school saw spider-webs coming from his wrists!

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Because it's filler comedy, not comedy that progresses further a coherent story. This is not Two and a Half Men, this is Spider-Man for Pete's sake.
Well, coming from a Raimi trilogy where that kind of humor was the star time and time again, I'd say we're improving.

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