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Old 04-21-2014, 07:16 AM   #52
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Default Re: The Avengers 2! The Official News and Speculation Thread - Upgrade section 5

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Originally Posted by cherokeesam View Post
The MCU Founders takes the mythology of both Ultimate and 616, mixes it up, and creates its own thing. Hulk wasn't part of the Ultimate Founders (in fact, he was their enemy rather than their ally); Cap, Widow, and Hawkeye weren't part of the 616 Founders. *Both* teams counted Hank Pym and Janet Van Dyne as their original (and two of their longest-running) team members, whereas MCU Avengers shows no inclination to recognize either in the forseeable future.
They were all founding members. Banner only did Hulk because he was trying to promote the team, and they were peeved at him because he was a member of the team, because they trusted him. BW, Hawkeye, QS and SW were all there from the beginning on the black ops team. The MCU doesn't randomly mix up the Ultimate Universe, it takes that basic structure and then puts the 616 heart into it (usually) and costume designs over it (sometimes), but the structure is absolutely Ultimate, and for good reason, it was the singular cinematic modernization of the Marvel universe, right down to casting the Ultimates in the book. Avengers was the exact same structure as Ultimates vol 1 and 2, with Loki in place of Kleiser. Right down to the memorable Hulk thrashing. Because it was a great story.

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Originally Posted by hafizbat View Post
Of course, the other Avengers are not going to come running to help in another's solo film. But for that particular situation, with the President of the United States being kidnapped, I thought they'd have a reason for him not being there. Just as they will presumably explain where Hawkeye was during the fall of SHIELD.
SHIELD would send Cap, and every explanation for why he wasn't sent is totally fan-made. It's a plot hole. -shrug-

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