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Old 05-06-2006, 07:54 PM   #37
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Default Re: Justice League Vs Avengers

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Originally Posted by larryfilmmaker
in the Superman/Batman books (the new ones) Superman carries Darkseid from the Kent farm to the sun in about 2 seconds. I bet you can find about 8 billion comics of the current "continuity" that don't have him anywhere near that fast.
Which is one of the many problems I had with that story arc.

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Changing levels for story telling isn't lazy writing... you put the character where you as a writer see him or her.
Yes, it is lazy writing. These characters have established power levels. You don;t follow them, you're just being lazy about it.

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For example, some people would have Supes as a character who is equal to a GL, Thor, etc... while other writers set him at different levels to tell their stories. For example...
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In an interview with Joe Casey on Alvaro's ComicBoards, he stated that Superman under his penmanship could re-arrange the Solar System and tear a star apart. "I've always seen Superman as this completely over-the-top, fantastic character who has *no* limits whatsoever," said Casey. In Superman's probe-busting mode, "Superman is unbeatable."
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And if anyone wrote Superman like that, I would be quite pissed. Not only because it's completely ridiculous, but because it flies in the face of his established power levels.

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Now, there are plenty of writers who don't see Superman as unbeatable no matter what. The Death of Superman certainly didn't see him that way... or maybe they did, as he was resurrected and defeated Doomsday in the long run.
Superman being resurected didn;t come from his powers, but from outside influence. And Doomsday's been completely wussified by DC as of late. Which pisses me off, because his established power levels say he should be one of the most powerful beings in DC shy of the cosmics and the mystics.

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Frank Miller agreed with Casey originally, but his final draft of DKR was different from the original and had Supes beaten by Batman, Robin, and Green Arrow. Now I know that's "out of continuity" but it all depends on where people see the characters. It's not power levels that are important at all... it's the character and how you use him or her to tell the story.
But to completely ignore the power levels is lazy writing. It shows a lack of respect for the continuity.

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Sometimes Spidey can beat up Venom. Sometimes he can't.
I've always thought they were very close to each other in terms of power, so it goes back and forth.

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Sometimes the Juggernaut is unstoppable. Sometimes Hulk stops him.
That's not fluctuating power levels. The Hulk is just close enough to The Juggernaut in terms of power to be able to do that. "The Unstoppable Juggernaut" isn;t meant to be taken literally.

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Whatever story somebody wants to tell is more important than set power levels.
No, it's not. If a writer can't respect the continuity while writing a story, then that story should be out of continuity.

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With as many "current continuity" books as there are out there, it's impossible to say there really is any continuity because they contradict each other so much.
No, it isn't. There is a continuity. Sure, there are contradictions. But you know what? Back in the day, when there was a contradiction, the reader would mail the comic company about it. You know what would happen? The writers would try to fix it. I miss those days.

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But ya know what... that doesn't matter at all because story telling is by far more important than power levels and stats.
But there is a continuity. If you can;t respect it, then the story sure as hell beter be out of continuity. Otherwise, it's just lazy writing.

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I'm a huge fan of a lot of different characters and the power levels mean nothing to me. If you make Superman a complete wimp, I think that sucks because his character revolves around him being the top dog. If you make Wolverine team captain and a gentleman, that betrays his character... not giving him a slower or faster healing factor. I do think that if there had to be set power levels, it would fit in the Marvel Universe but probably never in DC. DC is it's own mythology and mythologies have numerous interpretations of each character.
That's not an excuse. DC, like Marvel, has a continuity. It has set power levels and personalities and a history. If a writer comes along and decides that he wants Superman to sneeze and cause a galaxy to be torn apart because of it, even when Superman's pre set power levels say that should not happen, you know what? That is lazy writing. The writer can't respect the continuity. Now, if the story were out of continuity, that;s fine. But if you have a continuity, you sure as hell better respect it.

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