Re: am I the only one who DIDN'T think Nicholson nailed joker??
Originally Posted by raybia
Maybe I'm being a little too harsh but what I'm trying to say is that I don't think that performance holds up to the fan's expectations, which in my opinion is TAS version.
That expectation could even have the possibility of even dooming Nolan's version but since he is using "The Joker's Five-way Revenge" as the basis and considering that story set the core for the way the Joker is portrayed in both TAS and the comics even to this day, I think we fans will be very pleased.
Here is a blurb that describes the significance of "The Five-way Revenge."
There is no doubting "The Joker's Five-Way Revenge" (1973) is notable for three reasons. Number one, it marked a return to form for the Joker. Under writer Denny O'Neil, this Joker was no longer encumbered by Wortham's stifling legacy (the original version of the Comics Code) or the stigma of the "Batman" tv program. He once again became the deadly menace portrayed in his original appearances, as evidenced by the re-introduction of the laugh-inducing Joker-venom. Secondly, the Joker regained his sense of humor, and actually became funny instead of annoying. This Joker was a far cry from the one in the 50s/60s, who was just a goofy, irritating freak (check out "The Great Clayface-Joker Feud"). He used style (the exploding cigar) and wit (the shark) and sly banter, instead of obnoxiousness. Finally, and most importantly, "Five-Way" established the groundwork for the entire Batman/Joker dichotomy that's become the core of the Bat-mythos: reason/rationality vs randomness/insanity. When the Joker clubs Batman into unconsciousness, the grinning gargoyle decides not to kill his nemesis; instead, the Joker pontificates about how any death for Batman must come solely from a battle of wits and madness--anything else would be cheap and pointless.
I've read the "Five-Way Revenge" story (good read BTW). Still not clear on what is it about Nicholson's Joker that doesn't hold up well. Heck, I even think Five-Way Revenge was used as a reference for The Joker in B89, if I remember the extra stuff on the SE DVDs. Joker did use a lot of style and humor in killing his enemies. If you're referring to Joker choosing that Batman has to die from a battle of wits instead of a straight up death, then I somewhat understand you.
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