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Old 12-22-2011, 03:10 PM   #46
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Default Re: The "Nolan's views on Batman villains" thread

Originally Posted by NolansKnight View Post
Ok? lol ... Relevance?

And it's more about punk, grunge, rebelious, youthful, eccentic, against societal norms psychological perspective on the Joker.

He thinks society and what they live by is a joke, so why dress to what they consider standards?
You mean like a button-down shirt, vest, tie, and suit pants with a long coat? Now there's an original combination.

Originally Posted by NolansKnight View Post
They actually toyed with giving the Joker his classic purple suit coat, suspenders, dress pants and GASP ... a t-shirt. And the look still would've made sense.

It was a shirt that Hemming had an idea for that I believe kept interchanging the words laughter, and slaughter on it. Could've been just as cool. Not as iconic, but cool and would make sense.

There was actually a design for the Joker with what seemed like winter time with a scarf that if Ledger was alive for TDK Rises, would've made for a great winter time image.

Seems like they eventually decided on the right combo, though.

Originally Posted by NolansKnight View Post
I said that, didn't I?
Yes, but you also mentioned it doesn't have a sense of polish or fancifulness to it, when it does in it's own twisted way. It's not torn or too disheveled, it's not dirty unless it's right after a fight. I think perhaps the colors give it a sort of grungy feel that, say, lack suits with white shirts may not...but that wouldn't quite look right on any Joker.

Put it this way...he looks more 'Mod' than 'Grunge' to me, attire-wise....with both being anchored in rebellion et al, but the former having more 'neatness' to it.

Originally Posted by NolansKnight View Post
I don't agree with the Joker being vein, though. It's counter-intuative to what the character represents.
I think there may be a little vanity to this version of the Joker....but in this storyline he's in such control of every situation that he's not really challenged to a level for it to come out....and he's not exactly looking to be loved. I think there is a part of him that gets at least a little heated when he's mocked (instead of outright feared) anyone would of course, but he's less apt to 'shake it off' in the bigger scheme of things, so to speak. Maybe more to do with a deep insecurity rather than actual vanity, but back to his clothes....having some fancifulness to it doesn't really address vanity. If he's going to wear something that matches certain stripes with certain colors or what have you, it doesn't mean he's seeking fashion-approval for it.

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Originally Posted by Matt
Plus, is the infatuation that teenage girls have with pseudo-vampires any less sad than your infatuation with men in spandex and Heath Ledger? Its probably more justifiable for them. :)

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