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Old 06-28-2013, 01:16 AM   #72
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Default Re: Aaron Johnson May Be Quicksilver

Originally Posted by pr0xyt0xin View Post
Jesus. Disagree with me if you want. But if you want me to start naming PG-13 films with taboo content I would be happy to. And no. I can't name a single mainstream PG13 blockbuster that used incest as a plot point. Nor am I saying that Avengers 2 should use incest as a plot point.

I'm saying that it's an interesting dynamic to drop subtle hints toward BECAUSE it's never been used in a mainstream blockbuster. The comics included it (quite subtly) without even a parental advisory. Just because it's taboo and by yours and my decree "sick and twisted" doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the world.

No one is saying they should advocate inbreeding. Merchandise for Avengers 2 shouldn't include anatomically correct Quicksilver and Scarlet Witch dolls with removable clothing. Nor should they sell two packs of life-size blow up sex dolls. Just like they don't advocate sex with Tony/Pepper. At least, if they did, I must have missed it.

But if it makes for intriguing cinema just like (as some other posters so fairly put) the ever popular Game of Thrones, or Dexter, or the very popular, very taboo, and quite mainstream Stieg Larsson movies. Granted, they are all very graphic but all rated R (or the equivalent). But Hollywood has been known to push the envelope. And you are being naive if you think this topic in PG13 films won't happen someday.

They thought the same about gay and lesbian content in PG13 cinema 10-15 years ago. And then Paranorman came out last year.

And my point is that incest hasn't been used in a mainstream blockbuster for a very good reason. It would repulse the vast majority of the audience, not to mention cause the sort of controversy that does nothing to help a film at the box office. This is an appropriate topic for GoT-type shows or art house films like Only God Forgives*, but it should be completely out of bounds for The Avengers.

In the mainstream 616 universe, incest was never part of Wanda & Pietro's relationship. As with the serial killer cannibal Hulk of the Ultimate comics, Whedon will doubtless steer clear of something that would make the characters pariahs. Feige probably wouldn't allow it anyway, and Disney would have a fit if they tried it. The studio needs these characters to be popular and interesting in a positive way for the sake of the franchise. There is also the appeal to children to consider. Whedon is adding Wanda specifically to increase the female presence in the films. She wouldn't be a very positive figure with the taint of a vile sexual relationship with her own brother clinging to her. Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver toys won't be flying off the shelves, that's for sure.

*Only God Forgives was booed by critics at Cannes and some of them reportedly walked out of the screening in disgust. Whether they were angered by the incestuous overtones, the graphic violence or the fact that it's not very good is unclear.

Originally posted by Kevin Feige

It’s something that’s easy to take for granted, growing up in the United States as a white male, that my cinematic heroes look like me...It’s something that over the course of these ten years, having a certain amount of power over what type of movies are made and what type of actors we hire, I want everybody to have that feeling. We don’t take it for granted that people want to see themselves reflected in our heroes and our characters.
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