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Old 04-18-2012, 09:22 AM   #197
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Default Re: Batman Begins Best Origin Movie ever ?

Originally Posted by Mr. Immortal View Post
I think Batman Begins, out of all those choices, is actually the worst origin story by far. Most of us likely came from comics so it's hard to see the movie without any bias. But if you look objectively, there's one gigantic problem with BB: Nolan's Bruce Wayne/Batman is utterly pathetic.

If you really take a good look at the story, you can barely even call Nolan's Batman a superhero. He doesn't come up with the idea of creating a figure people can fear, Ra's does. He needs constant pep talks from both Rachel and Alfred because of his cripplingly low intelligence and aptitude for failure. He doesn't create any of his gear, Lucius makes all of it. He doesn't really show any kind of detective skills or strategic ability other than buying his own stocks then acting like a smug jerk about it. In Nolanverse, Bruce is basically a thug with superior equipment. (That he had no hand in creating.) So basically, because Nolan's Batman can do nothing by himself and shows virtually no heroic qualities other than willingly getting his ass handed to him when testing out his equipment, I don't see this as much of an ''origin'' story.
I just can't bring myself to see it as a Superhero movie or even a Batman movie because of how completely different it is than the source material.
I find your comment a bit simplistic, but in general, yeah, I agree with all this. It is something that I found weird. Bruce was not so clever and always needed someone to show him the next step. I didnot see the character as a superhero at all, nor really a batman story, just a guy who is lucky enough to have all the stuff he needs.
Originally Posted by El Payaso View Post
But well, Goyer felt like he needed to verbally explain everything through speeches or very informative dialogues. My favourite worst is the monorail conversation between Bruce and his father. That's the pinnacle of unnatural dialogue.
Yes indeed. I completely agree with this. Too much useless symbolism maybe?

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