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Old 10-20-2013, 11:25 PM   #113
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Default Re: OK...its time.....Man of Steel vs Superman Returns - Part 1

Originally Posted by Batmannerism View Post
First, I loved MOS, if you're a hater, don't bother reading on.

Next, I would rather watch Quest for Peace, arguably the worst Reeve
Superman movie, than Superman Returns.

I loved Reeve as Superman, saw him back in 78 and boy was that film something. I remember coming out of the cinema feeling like I could fly.
Yes, if you see them now, the special effects are a bit dated, but for its
time it was the epitome of awesomeness.

Reeve was charming, he had the look, he didn't take himself that seriously, and always ended with a smile to the audience as he flew off
into the horizon.

Superman returns was awful, it was a mopey Superman with an imitation of Reeve's look, but none of his charm. He moped, he looked sad, but didn't do anything about it.
Worst of all, his Superman was a moron, dumb enough to land on an whole continent which was mostly composed of THE ONE ****ING ELEMENT IN THE UNIVERSE THAT COULD KILL HIM !!!!

That wasn't Routh's fault, the wooden acting was, but that last bit was 100% the writers, did they have a total brain melt, who knows ?

Kevin Smith was 100% right, Superman returns was ****ing boring.

Anyway, enough about that. If you like Superman returns, fair enough,
everyone is entitled to their opinion. In fact I'm glad you did, because
then you got your money's worth. I came out of that film thinking that I got ripped off, and wanted my money back.

At the end of Ted, when Patrick Stewart is slagging off Routh and Superman
returns, he's taken the words right out of my head.

Okay, onto MOS ! Loved it. Because Snyder and co had the balls to change stuff, to make a Superman for the 21st century. Yeah, it was
a bit darker than Reeve, but at least they realized they had to make
it different - that Reeve/Donner was great in its time (and still great
for nostalgia value), but its not reflective of today's world.

In MOS, Superman drank beer, did the dishes, loved his mom, had chest hair, he frowned. He was a man of few words, he grunted when performing
heroic feats, and he threw punches (about ****ing time !), somebody
messes with his mom, and POW ! Cavill did a great job.

I came out of MOS with the same feeling I had as a little kid coming out
of Superman the movie.

I reckon Reeve was a slightly better Superman, (only just) but Cavill
was still a good Superman, and also in a better film, supported by a much better cast.

Russell Crowe was definitely a better Jor El. Great villains, great job by Shannon, and Antje Traue was hot and deadly at the same time.
Costner was a great Pa Kent, Diane Lane, best Ma Kent ever.
but the real surprise was how great Amy Adams was as Lois Lane
(Amy Adams is a terrific actress, but the writers need some credit for
that one, well played Goyer).

Anyway, I loved MOS, it may not be Reeve, but it was Superman for the 21st century, a darker more troubled time.

Superman Returns...... not even close.
Good post.
speaking of darker times,here is someone else view about that from another forum.

It's Society not Superman that has changed...


It's Society not Superman that has changed...

I had a moment of clarity as the alcoholics would say today. today In the 1940s and 1950s when Superman became mainstream in American Society, he was revered as a hero to look up to. This was a hero that stands for TRUTH, JUSTICE, and the AMERICAN WAY. Society had morals, values, and they were more modest. Good and Bad had a defined line and you didn't cross it, or you were bad. Parents wanted their kids to mimic George Reeves on screen.mainstream

In the 1960s-1970s Society began to slowly shift. American needed Superman after Vietnam and all of the shady politics of the Nixon-Ford era. People still looked at Superman as a beacon of hope, an ideal to strive for. Parents wanted their kid to mimic the qualities of Christopher Reeve. To stand up for what is right. "Don't worry Mr. President, I won't let you down." Always doing the right thing and inspiring hope into the hopeless.

In the 1980s-1990s society began to become less trusting of the Government, The Soviet threat, the increase in drug activity, and the cynical nature began to grow within people. This is when Batman started to grow in popularity. Batman is the antithesis of Superman. Batman stops criminals by scare tactics. He makes them fear the night. Criminals are so afraid to commit crimes in fear of Batman they just stop. Superman always tried to instill good into people. Superman is the light. He is supposed to set a good example and make criminals want to change on the inside. This is a lost concept today.

Finally, after the 9/11 attacks it would have been the perfect time to reinvent Superman. There was about a 7 year period from 2001-2008 where Patriotism was at an all time high. Spider-Man wrapped himself in the American flag in 2002 and stole the thunder. In 2006 the finally re-introduced Superman but they said the phrase "Does he stand for TRUTH, JUSTICE, and ALL THAT STUFF?" Leaving out the iconic phrase "And the AMERICAN WAY". This put a lot of traditional Superman fans off and patriotic people. After 2009 this era with the Tea Party vs. Obama we are going back into a cynical non-patriotic type society. A society that embraces BATMAN because of the cynical citizens and Iron Man because Tony Stark is narcissistic like most people in our Individualistic society.

Superheroes now a days are dark, gritty, or narcissistic in nature. A good wholesome country boy from Kansas that stands up for what is right is SO 1950s. Our generation wants a cynical/narcissist with cool gadgets and lots of technology. They can relate to that. Not a pure hearted, kind, do the right thing, treat people with respect kind of guy. The scene where the truck driver dumps a beer on top of Clark's head. He just walks away. When he is a kid getting bullied, he turns the other cheek. His father says "there is a part of me that wanted you to hit him, but what good would that have done?" No our country can't relate to that anymore. We NEED Superman more than any other Superhero (other than Spider-Man, he is sort of Marvel's version of Superman).

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