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Old 03-13-2013, 10:00 PM   #167
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Default Re: What was Mark Waid's issues with the 1986 retelling?

Originally Posted by theMan-Bat View Post
Like Superman in Byrne's comics, Superman in the Fleischer cartoons was less powerful than the Pre-Crisis Silver Age/Bronze Age comics Superman and the popular Christopher Reeve Superman.

Like Clark Kent in Byrne's comics, Clark Kent in the Fleischer cartoons showed some confidence, some seriousness and self-reliant aggressiveness as an investigative reporter, and scooped Lois out of writing the story in "The Mummy Strikes." The Fleischer Clark Kent didn't act like a Jerry Lewis-esque bumbling buffoon goofball like the popular Christopher Reeve Clark and wasn't a TV news anchor like the Pre-Crisis Bronze Age comics Clark.

Primarily the Fleischer cartoons provided John Byrne with an influence for Superman battling gigantic monsters that give him a physical challenge. Like Superman in Byrne's comics, Superman in the Fleischer cartoons fought a lot of monstrous (often gigantic) super-powered foes that gave him a physical challenge that he had to struggle to defeat - the giant robots in "The Mechanical Monsters," the giant dinosaur creature in "The Arctic Giant," the giant gorilla in "Terror on the Midway" and the giant mummy in "The Mummy Strikes" and the race of hawk people in "The Underground World." That all had an influence on John Byrne having Superman battle the gigantic Host rapped in Mummy bandages in an story even titled "The Mummy Strikes" (Superman #5 (1987)). The giant creature created by the Serabite Stone (Action Comics #585 (1987) "... And Graves Give Up Their Dead..."). The giant Pacifier/Glommer (Superman #3 (1987) "Legends from the Darkside"). The giant towers (Action Comics #587 (1987) "Cityscape!"). The gigantic Rampage (Superman #7 (1987) "Rampage!"). The gaint Klaash robot (Superman #10 (1987) "The Super Menace of Metropolis"). The giant strange microbes, giant tentacle organisms (Action Comics #589 (1987) "Green on Green"). The giant Chemo (Action Comics #590 (1987) "Better Living/Dying Through Chemistry"). The giant Highmaster (Superman #14 (1987) "Last Stand!"). The Prankster's giant rubber flower (Superman #16 (1987) "He Only Laughs When I Hurt!"). Professor Killgrave's giant Juggernaut (Superman #19 (1988) "The Power that Failed!"). The giant Dreadnaught (The Adventures of Superman #442 (1988) "Power Play").

John Byrne explained, "Part of the homework I did preparing to take on Superman was to study up on as much material as I could find. First the comics, of course, and there I sifted through almost fifty years of often very contradictory material. I looked at the serials, the George Reeves TV series, the Fleischer cartoons and, of course, the Christopher Reeve movies. I also checked out how the character had been handled in his Superboy adventures. With all that percolating in my brain, I took the parts that seemed to be most consistent thru-out, and then added a few modernizations."

John Byrne also commented, "George Reeves introduced me to the character, so he will always have a special place in my heart. As will Wayne Boring, who was principle artist when I started reading the comics. The Fleischer cartoons gave another kind of life to Superman, as did Christopher Reeve."

Oh my god. Finally someone has given me an explanation. I've been needing a logical explanation to Byrne's claim for years! Thank you so much!

Jerry and Joe were gentlemen. Bob Kane was a thief and a glory-hound who was more concerned about profit and prestige. I cannot bring myself to believe the same things about Stan Lee in regards to his two main contributors, Jack Kirby and Steve Ditko. I'm inclined to believe Stan's version of events as he has usually been very willing to credit his co-conspirators, but the truth is because different versions of credit exists, we will never truly know.
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