Marvel's Black & Minority Characters: Roundtable Discussion

[Lightning Strykez!]

"Black Knights"
A Focus On Marvel's Mutants Of Colour
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An Essay By:
Caliph a.k.a. "Lightning Strikez!"
August 29th, 2005

As we get press forward into the 21st Century, it is interesting to note the many changes that are happening in Hollywood. Break-throughs are slowly, but surely being accomplished. Opportunities are being awarded that 20 years ago were considered taboo. And with A-listers like Denzel Washington, Jamie Foxx and Halle Berry finally getting recognition with prestigous awards perhaps greater things are to come.

Considering that the hottest cinematic genre at the moment is the comic book film industry, it could be only a matter of time before Hollywood turns its attention to black comic characters. To say that Black audiences are not major comic readers would be sheer naivety, and yet, several of Marvel's black characters appeal to audiences comprised of all colors and backgrounds.

Is A Storm Really Coming?

For example, consider The Weather Goddess AKA Storm. She is arguably Marvel's most iconic and well-loved black heroine. Yet, according to the general consensus, the character has not been given the same kind of focus and development as her counterparts.

Many feel that a lack of respect has been shown towards Marvel's premier black heroine: from bad wigs, bad lines, bad directing...and perhaps even miscasting, the Halle Berry/Storm fiasco is the only X-Men related hot-button that continues to garner controversial attention from critics and fanboys alike. In both X-Men films, the vast majority of the character development was chopped and left on the cutting room floor--even a reported African origin scene was dropped. Aware of what Storm means to people worldwide, Halle Berry (the actress who plays the role) has fought for improvements, but she has consistently been slammed with criticism for speaking out.

Does such poor treatment bode well for future cinematic treatment of other mutants of colour? It's not like we have a lot to pick from you know. Is this how it's going to be? Already, there have been rumblings about possible film developments, but currently they remain in development hell while millions of dollars are spent on other B and C-list comic characters (i.e. Elektra and Swamp Thing).

What Does The Future Hold?

Storm. Cecilia Reyes. Luke Cage. Bishop. Black Panther. All are mutated and/or specially powered heroes that offer compelling stories--each of which could easily sustain a strong film and audience. Will Hollywood take a step backward by ignoring these rich stories in favor of characters that garner little interest? A glimmer of hope was shown with the Blade series, but considering its subject matter and rating, only limited audiences could benefit from that. Could something more mainstream be created? Do you believe that they may be afraid to "go there" with developing a true, full blown urban superhero story?

In this thread, let us discuss what the future may hold for Marvel's mutants of color.

Some Topics For Discussion

*The rumored Storm movie Spin-off: Marvel's answer to a DC Wonder Woman film?

*What realistic obstacles lie in the way of these productions?

*The rumored X3 relationship between Storm & Wolverine: Opening doors or closing them?

*Do you believe that Halle Berry and Wesley Snipes are unfairly singled out by fanboys for their complaints for better treatment by Hollywood?

*Are current black actors/superheroes overshadowed by their co-stars?

*What do you think the future holds for these characters in comics, video games, toys, film and other franchises?

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A NOTE TO MY FELLOW HYPESTERS: This is meant to be a sophisticated, cerebral discussion--a place where people of like mind can discuss these kinds of issues freely. Keep in mind that this thread is not exclusive per se, and that all Hypesters have a right to speak on these matters.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Original debuted in X3: Spoilers

Originally Posted by Lightning Strikez!

The ROLO Factor
Marvel's 1st Silver-Screen Interracial Romance?
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An Essay By Dark Lightning AKA Lightning Strikez!


Stan Lee and Jack Kirby created the X-Men in the early 1960s, when the African-American civil rights movement was prominent in the news. Interestingly enough, both Stan and Jack are Jewish-Americans; consciously or unconsciously, perhaps they were really aiming at anti-Semitism. Decades later, it was Chris Claremont who established that Magneto, as a child, had been imprisoned at the Auschwitz Nazi Concentration Camps.

The point?

From the very beginning, Marvel Comics, and more specifically the X-Men, have continued to explore the differences between peoples and cultures, and to break down those barriers. In fact, it is a well-known fact that the antagonism spewed towards mutants in the X-Men comics is actually a metaphor for racism.

So perhaps it is apropros that X-Men 3 will push the envelope further with the ROLO Factor. For those of you who are not acquainted with the terminology, ROLO stands for the romantic relationship between Ororo Munroe (Storm) and Logan (Wolverine). Some have already labeled this aspect of X3's plot as another "controversial Thom Rothman antic" but if people actually did their homework,they'd find that the two characters have been involved for years in the comic book cannon. Even now, in both the Ultimate and Uncanny X-Men series the two characters are once again fooling around.

However, I sense that FOX putting these two together in this film is about more than just being controversial. And it's probably bigger than the source material too. I think they are doing it for cinematic purposes. If fleshed out well, this relationship could really bring something special to X3 for several reasons.

Let's discuss some of them:

1.) Closure For Logan: Let's face it, at some point the feral Wolverine would have to move on with his life in the wake of Jean Grey's death. The most logical choice would be the team's beautiful second-in-command. But since X3 will revolve around Dark Phoenix, the ROLO factor coooould also pose some interesting struggles within Logan once the fire goddess arises from Alkali Lake. Much will hinge on if Jean will simply return as herself with increased abilities, or as a maniac driven by lunacy and a thirst for power.

2.) Better Utilization Of Halle Berry: For both Hugh Jackman and Halle Berry the ROLO factor could bring another dimension to their characters. In my opinion, Halle will benefit the most. After standing in as the SFX coordinator for the last two films , it will be good to finally see Storm being a WOMAN with an emotional attachment to someone.

And despite the vitriol some fanboys spit at the actress, many will agree that her heaviest gravitas lie in her dramatic portrayals. As demonstrated in Monster's Ball, Queen, The Dorothy Dandridge Story and her recent Their Eyes Were Watching God, Halle seems to excel best when in her own comfort zone--drama. While her turn in action films i.e. 007 and Catwoman have been met with mixed results, if Brett Ratner and his writers can give her some real meat on the character development end, she should shine here.

3.) A New Dimension For Hugh Jackman: The ROLO Factor will also give Hugh a nice departure from the slice-em-dice-em deal he's been stuck with so far in this saga. Hugh does well with romantic comedy as shown in his hit films Kate & Leopold and Someone Like You. But so far, his action films like Van Helsing and the X-Men series haven't really given him a chance to fully integrate the romantic element. We actually got a brief glimpse of the sexual side of Logan in X2 (with Jean and Mystique), but it will be interesting to see this side of the character really fleshed out this time around.

4.)Chemistry: The ROLO factor might bring a great opportunity for the actors involved--but not only on an individualized level. As a pair, Halle and Hugh seem to have an electric chemistry on screen, as shown in Swordfish. Chemistry between the actors is key, especially in this genre where films generally focus on SFX and action.

Chemistry lacks to a large extent between Famke and James Marsden, and while it sizzles between Rebecca Romijn and Hugh--it's also very restricted. We can't have a repeat performance here with Storm and Logan. Halle and Hugh are arguably this film's biggest stars so if it's done right it's sure to raise the bar on comic book movies' love stories.

5.)Comicdom's 1st Silver-Screen Interracial Love Story: As noted above, we've enjoyed watching the love stories develop between Peter and Mary Jane, Reed and Susan, Bobby and Rogue and Scott and Jean--but we've never seen a high profile interracial love story in any comic book film (unless you count whatever Vivica A. Fox had going on with Mr. Freeze in 1997's deplorable Batman & Robin. *rolls eyes and lifts fist in wretched motions* Having Marvel's first black heroine involved with its ultimate Bad-Ass will be a treat, and the plot will also keep in line with X-Men's legacy: Breaking down cultural, sexual and racial barriers.

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To my fellow Hypesters: What do you think of the ROLO factor? Will it hurt or help X3? Will Logan's passion for Jean resurface? Will Storm's relationship with Logan be purely a sexual one, or will it have some depth as it does in the comics?

[Chris Wallace]

Storm is my absolute favorite character to wear an X. And while I agree she has not been given justice in the movies, I don't think this is an issue of her color so much as a popularity matter. She doesn't have the level of clout that Wolverine has, so they're not gonna focus on her as much. A solo movie wouldn't improve matters, IMO. I don't think they should flood the market with X-Men solo projects.

[The Sage]

Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

Storm is my absolute favorite character to wear an X. And while I agree she has not been given justice in the movies, I don't think this is an issue of her color so much as a popularity matter. She doesn't have the level of clout that Wolverine has, so they're not gonna focus on her as much. A solo movie wouldn't improve matters, IMO. I don't think they should flood the market with X-Men solo projects.

I agree. The market is already flooded as it is. Plus after CINO I doubt the public will be all too keen to see a solo superhero movie with Halle in the lead.

I'd love to see Black Panther get adapted. Rumors were flying for a while about it, with Wesley Snipes as the lead, though now I prefer someone else since he's Blade.

[spider-jide]

Originally Posted by The Sage

I'd love to see Black Panther get adapted. Rumors were flying for a while about it, with Wesley Snipes as the lead, though now I prefer someone else since he's Blade.

Yeah, however, I heard that Snipes is now keen in producing the movie instead, which I personally think is a better idea.

[Lightning Strykez!]

Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

Storm is my absolute favorite character to wear an X. And while I agree she has not been given justice in the movies, I don't think this is an issue of her color so much as a popularity matter. She doesn't have the level of clout that Wolverine has, so they're not gonna focus on her as much. A solo movie wouldn't improve matters, IMO. I don't think they should flood the market with X-Men solo projects.

I dunno Chris.

Storm is arguably the most-well known and identifiable X-Woman. I think her fanbase is actually as large or close to Wolverine's. I mean, when you look at various message boards and polls Storm comes out easily in the Top 3 consistently behind Wolverine and perhaps Gambit.

So I believe that if done well, a Storm spin-off film could really be something special. Think about it: These young girls of colour don't really have a black heroine to identify with. They've got Wonder Woman, Invisible Woman but no true kick-ass black female heroine.

The problem is that Hollywood doesn't know how to handle/write a screen play for strong female black character, with powers that are god-like. I think they are skurred. And they (Hollywood) are not capitalizing on Storm's fame--especially the distinction of being Marvel's First Lady of Colour. The fact that they've got an Oscar Winner being wasted in the role is further cause of concern.

Then folks want to talk about bring Bishop on board? I say, hell no--fix what we've got now.

[spider-jide]

Originally Posted by Chris Wallace

I don't think they should flood the market with X-Men solo projects.

Agreed. Thats one of the factors that turns me off the x-comics, there are just too many. I'm sure most if not all of you have heard about the wolverine and magneto spin off movies, these ideas are an unecessary waste imo. Wolverine is pretty much the star of the x-movies while everyone else has cameos and a magneto movie?? Why? What is to gain from such a movie? Audiences saw the intro t x1 and we all know how mageto turns out, so why go back again and try to elaborate on something that is completely unecessary when other more deserving characters should get their time.

For every spin off movie made, its a wasted opportunity to advance in the developments of flms based on caracters like, ironman, thor, black panther, characters who would have something to actually offer.

[Rizpower]

I absolutely agree, Chris. I think they're overdoing it with Magneto as is. Wolverine I only support to give more balance to the franchise.

Cyclops is totally ignored in the X-Films, and yuppies aren't complaining about the clearly pro-Canadian stance of the filmmakers, it's just the way it is.

I've been anti-Halle from day one. She just doesn't have the personality to play Storm on film, nor do I think the character is ever going to be properly adapted in the X-Universe as created by Bryan Singer. It's a damn shame, but I'd rather we stick to the mythology he made (And a shoddy job he did) rather than risk a Schumacher style jump in style.

[Chris Wallace]

I wouldn't go as far as to say he did a shoddy job overall. But again, I don't wanna make this a race issue. When I see all the threads/posts that turn everything into a black issue-"Blade didn't have the Marvel logo/appear in the fighting games/have a trading card/ have this & that b/c he's BLACK!" Not b/c he's a foul-mouthed, drug dependent murderer, but b/c he's black. This is dangerous territory, to even bring this up. At some point it gets silly.

[JP]

Halle was definitely miscast for Storm, but that wasn't the reason for her poor portrayal of Storm in the movies. IMO, Storm should have never been in X-Men. Instead, she should have been introduced in a later film, were she would most likely have been given what her character deserves. One thing I like about Singers films is that he doesn’t just add a character to the movie because they are popular (Like Gambit), but because they fit the story. And that was the problem with Storm. She did not fit the story.

Storm is finally getting a better role in the third installment, but I’m not sure she will be the Storm we know from the comics. Most likely she will have a few characteristics changed, like Rogue and Bobby.

[Slim_X]

My all time favorite female comic book character is Storm, I've always like how strong she was when I watched the TAS as a kid. I think it's such a shame they made a crappy job with her in the first X-Men movie, though I have to say she had one of the most memorable scenes in the movie. They improved her in X2, but overall we don't know much about her. I just wanna hear they mention her African roots and even her claustrophobia, I also wanna know why she's so angry at humans.
I hope X3 does Storm some justice since (I think) she's the most popular X-Woman.

Next month you can see her in two videogames:
-Marvel Nemesis: Rise of the Imperfects: I think she's the only X-Woman in this game and she looks so cool .
-X-Men Legends 2: Rise of Apocalypse: She's been a confirmed playable character since day 1, with over 10 powers (including lightnings, winds and blizzards) I think she'll be one of the strongest characters in the game. I can't wait for this one . Plus she'll have a lot of unlockable costumes. Bishop, another black mutant, will also be in this game.

[Rizpower]

Indeed. The reason no one but Wolverine gets screen time is because Wolverine is ****in' WOLVERINE. He's the biggest draw in the MU this side of Spider-Man. Every other X-Man takes a back seat.

I really REALLY fear what Luke Cage is going to end up being like. It has so much potential, but I feel it's entirely likely it will end up being blaxploitation at it's worst

[MJB]

Originally Posted by Rizpower

Indeed. The reason no one but Wolverine gets screen time is because Wolverine is ****in' WOLVERINE. He's the biggest draw in the MU this side of Spider-Man. Every other X-Man takes a back seat.

I really REALLY fear what Luke Cage is going to end up being like. It has so much potential, but I feel it's entirely likely it will end up being blaxploitation at it's worst

Your fear is justfied with Singleton at the helm.

[Hunter Rider]

One thing i do agree with is the reason that Wolverine was thrust to the front
He is Marvel's second biggest Icon and also even in this day and age ppl like a "hero figure" in the lead of a film,and Jackman with his presence and look fitted that perfectly

Now this film coming up is hugely important for the character of Storm,it appears she is gonna have a lot more focus put on the godess part of her character with the battle with Pheonix plus of course the inpending relationship with Logan

The other 2 major Black characters that are up for adapting are both gonna show what hollywood thinks of Black superheroes and actors and their drawing power.Luke Cage i have a feeling will be made into some tacky "hip hop" movie geared more towards selling the latest Ja Rule single and subsequent merchandise than telling a good story
Black Panther should be epic and there is no other way to do him properly and the onscreen treatment he gets both in casting/directing and budget choices will say a lot about how hollywood views black heroes/actors as draws

[Hunter Rider]

To address the point Lightning put forward:

*The rumored Storm movie Spin-off: Marvel's answer to a DC Wonder Woman film?

I think it's more a case of Fox trying to bleed all they can out of the X brand,

*What realistic obstacles lie in the way of these productions ?

studio execs and them having the balls to put all they have into a production built around a black actor,i really don't think ppl's will be put off by a black lead,but unless the studio has the guts to go all out on one we will never know

*The rumored X3 relationship between Storm & Wolverine: Opening doors or closing them?

The door will really be opened when it's a Black man white woman IMO


*Do you believe that Halle Berry and Wesley Snipes are unfairly singled out by fanboys for their complaints for better treatment by Hollywood?

Snipes not really,Halle has been unfairly blamed for Storm IMO

*Are current black actors/superheroes overshadowed by their co-stars?

In the case of superheroes yes but not so much as actors IMO



*What do you think the future holds for these characters in comics, video games, toys, film and other franchises?


I think a lot will depend on what happens with Storm in X3 and how Black Panther is handled,they are so important to the black superhero community that if they are mis-handled then the future for heroes of colour onscreen is bleak IMO

[Hunter Rider]

Another interesting situation in Hollywood recently was Universal stopping production of Tru Blue,a film by Antoine Fuqua starring Denzel and Benicio Del Torro.the film was apparently "to expensive" given the dark subject matter (A Harlem drug kingpin smuggling drugs into the country in the coffins of vietnam soldiers),they figured they wouldn't make their money back,However right now martin Scorscese is making The Dpearted with Leo Dicaprio and Matt Damon and it is a dark thriller that won't be a blockbuster and yet despite being over budget and over schedule already, the production continues unhampered by the studio

[Connor MacLeod]

Well...a lot to say here...

First, I don't think Halle/Storm was as short-changed as everyone thinks. Each movie had a display of her powers. She got plenty of screen time. But I have to balance that by saying that despite all that what wasn't present was Storm's strength and power. I don't think it's as bad as A1ant's statement, "fourth mutant on the right." But I think everyone's real problem is that the character isn't coming off charismatic, bold, or dynamic. Storm so far has been rather flat.
This may change in X3 and it may not. For all the complaining about Storm and Logan hooking up, at least they are giving her something to do, which could be seen as positive. Hopefully it isn't a cop out and there are some good ideas behind this potential plot development.
Is a Storm solo a good idea? For now at least the climate is wrong. CINO definitely put a blackeye on Halle as an action star. It's concerning that even if they made a great movie no one would see it because they already saw Halle in a "similar" role, and/or because that movie sucked.

As to Blade, right now he has to be the best black character to screen so far. I will give a nod to Al Simmons, aka Spawn, who many people forget. But Blade transcended race. Hell, Blade transcended comicbook. You didn't even need to know who he was, what he was about... blood, gore, vampires? People are gonna see that. Which is probably why they took so many risks and screwed up the third movie. After you establish a franchise and a heavy following on the labor of two spectacular movies, handing the job over to a rookie director with a hit/miss record as a writer isn't a very good idea. But the thing that made Trinity bad wasn't the movie itself. It was the fact it was overshadowed by two much better movies, and that it lacked the mood and tone of those two movies.
Will we see Blade again? We can hope. Wesley Snipes and Guillermo Del Toro want to make another and make it right to send the franchise off on the right note. But for now it seems our best hope is a Blade TV show. The Blade franchise will continue to make money for a long time. Merchandise is still popular. And having Wesley Snipes as the face on a multimillion dollar propety is not a bad thing. We have to hope that future minorities in Marvel films are treated with the same respect and care as Blade.

Connor Macleod
aka SonOfLogan

[MJB]

Originally Posted by hunter rider

The other 2 major Black characters that are up for adapting are both gonna show what hollywood thinks of Black superheroes and actors and their drawing power.Luke Cage i have a feeling will be made into some tacky "hip hop" movie geared more towards selling the latest Ja Rule single and subsequent merchandise than telling a good story
Black Panther should be epic and there is no other way to do him properly and the onscreen treatment he gets both in casting/directing and budget choices will say a lot about how hollywood views black heroes/actors as draws

Well I agree with you on Cage. it will be hiphopped uped with Singleton, but Ja Rule?? Ja Rule is played out, has been for a while.

Blank Panther should be epic and great, but no studio is going to front a big budget unless Will Smith is cast as T'Challa

[Hunter Rider]

Originally Posted by MJB

Well I agree with you on Cage. it will be hiphopped uped with Singleton, but Ja Rule?? Ja Rule is played out, has been for a while.

Blank Panther should be epic and great, but no studio is going to front a big budget unless Will Smith is cast as T'Challa

Thats the sad thing,i like Will but he isnt right for T'Challa IMO but since he is one of only 2 Black actors that are big money draws he is the only chance of HW bankrolling a big budget Black Panther movie

1) I don't think this is an issue of race. I can agree that black people (among other minorities) are poorly misrepresented in both television and film. However, I don't feel that is the case with Storm. Her character has been poorly handled. The true pity in that, is the fact that Storm is such a powerful black character, that is being under utilized. The most depth we see coming from Storm in the films, is as a comforter. In the first film she comforted Senator Kelly in his death, and in the second film, it was Nightcrawler. That is a nice touch, but it leaves Storm as a shallow character compared to the other mutants who are more fleshed out or better characterized.

2) Interracial dating is a nice social achievement in this nation, but I see it is a mostly flat dynamic to explore. Storm is more than just the resident black chick. She is a strong female character. Constantly paralleling her to black issues may weaken the character more than strengthen her. I am all for her receiving a proper portrayal as a strong black woman, but I don't feel an interracial relationship is needed to perpetuate that. Love and relationships are what they are. Race is a superflous matter when love is involved. Nobody should be looking for some "factor" to play off of. If Ororo and James date, that is because that is the choice they reach as people. Not as a race....

3) People are continually disapproving of Halle Berry as Storm, but I honestly can't think of another choice, other than perhaps Kerry Washington. But unless you really know your black actresses, then the name will be lost on 90% of the public. I mean really...who else could look and act the role? Somebody too old like Angela Basset? Or perhaps somebody else obscure like Nia Long? I don't mind people dismissing Halle, but at least offer up some substitutions. Otherwise, it is just baseless ranting.

Ultimately, Storm is a deep character. She is one of the few times on film (even if a comic film) that a black woman or black character in general, can be displayed without the cliche of steroetype and and other well known ideologies. Storm doesn't have to wiggle her head and snap fingers. She doen't need to date a whie man. She doesn't need to be a spokes person for black america. As long as she is the strong and independent woman she has been portrayed as in the comic books, she will speak the loudest in her actions...

[Lightning Strykez!]

Originally Posted by Arach Knight

3) People are continually disapproving of Halle Berry as Storm, but I honestly can't think of another choice, other than perhaps Kerry Washington. But unless you really know your black actresses, then the name will be lost on 90% of the public. I mean really...who else could look and act the role? Somebody too old like Angela Basset? Or perhaps somebody else obscure like Nia Long? I don't mind people dismissing Halle, but at least offer up some substitutions. Otherwise, it is just baseless ranting.

Call me unorthodox...but Beverly Johnson was born to play Storm in my opinion.





She's 5'11, regal and elegant. A bad-ass actress...and these are relatively recent pics; she's 47 years old here.

I just want to know who else FOX was considering back in 2000 aside from Halle Berry for the role of Storm. The fact that they'd cast someone fairskinned and petite for this character when other actresses like this were available (and Beverly has that deep throaty voice that Storm has--I can just imagine her shrieking "The Wind Cries Storm!" LOL ) brings up the whole "one-size-fits-all" token black actress thing.

We know that Bryen Singer didn't want the character included anyways, so did he just say "Well fuggit!" and just cast the first pretty face he saw? To me, this betrays a lack of understanding for the character. I love Halle Berry, and I am looking forward to her in X3. But one look at her and it's blatantly obvious that the director/casting crew just didn't give a damn in casting Storm.

She may be a good actress and tall enough for the role...but her age shows. I'd rather they cast Free from 106 and Park, than Beverly Johnson. But I do applaud the thought that went into that choice. That is much better than just saying Halle was miscast and then offering no other possibility. If Halle turned the role down, Beverly Johnson could fill in nicely.

[Miss Webb]

Originally Posted by Lightning Strykez

Call me unorthodox...but Beverly Johnson was born to play Storm in my opinion.





She's 5'11, regal and elegant. A bad-ass actress...and these are relatively recent pics; she's 47 years old here.

I just want to know who else FOX was considering back in 2000 aside from Halle Berry for the role of Storm. The fact that they'd cast someone fairskinned and petite for this character when other actresses like this were available (and Beverly has that deep throaty voice that Storm has--I can just imagine her shrieking "The Wind Cries Storm!" LOL ) brings up the whole "one-size-fits-all" token black actress thing.

We know that Bryen Singer didn't want the character included anyways, so did he just say "Well fuggit!" and just cast the first pretty face he saw? To me, this betrays a lack of understanding for the character. I love Halle Berry, and I am looking forward to her in X3. But one look at her and it's blatantly obvious that the director/casting crew just didn't give a damn in casting Storm.

Interesting you mention the Halle Berry angle. The so called 'black' actresses presented to national audiences (for movies) are always light skinned or half white. It's like there's a code saying she has to have color but not be really 'black', just enough to seem exotic. There's still subtle typing going on out there when it comes to roles and so called 'cross over' acceptance. Personally I think the corporate heads (Ie white males predom) sell people short with this old stereotypical thinking. Conversely, you RARELY see light skinned black men or half white 'black' men portrayed as 'black' heroes, be they live action or comics. They're usually dark skinned and bald. This is rooted in the (dark/threatening light/non threatening) symbolism that has become a part of advertising culture.

[Diamondhead]

All I can say is that black men and black women needs to get together more than ever!

It wasn’t so long ago that white men was raping black women and lynch the black men for having whistling at a white woman.

The white man just hasn’t paid enough due for their mistreatment of the black race yet


And now that black women are reaching and striving for a better place in societies
It is simply not the time for the white men to embark on a campaign teaching the black women to be with them instead
Especially that black men needs the support of their strong black women more than ever.

Therefore I think it was way too soon for Hollywood to come out with movies such as “guess who”. It was simply way too soon for that.

Black men needs to do their best to be with their black women and not so willingly to hand over their black sisters to the white man just in the name of being “cool”.
Because white men aren’t like that at all, and they still have never agree to see their women with any other race than Caucasian men only.

This huge campaign that you see on the media nowadays teaching black women to be with white men instead, is not helping the black community’s relation at all
And some black women are aiding and abating, even turning out to be traitor to their race by saying “black men just aren’t good enough for them”
Just like rumor has it quoted by Serena Williams!

The point is that black people needs to be together in other to grow stronger.
Getting the most popular hero or heroin at marvel to end up with anything other than their own race is not the way to go
Especially when there are not even enough of them to go around in the first place.

[tamron]

Originally Posted by Diamondhead

And some black women are aiding and abating, even turning out to be traitor to their race by saying “black men just aren’t good enough for them”
Just like rumor has it quoted by Serena Williams!

Serena never said that. It was a lie, she issued a press release denying it as soon as that started. She supposedly said it on a tv show, but there's no tape of it, anywhere. But some black women, like Maia Campbell, have said they don't date brothas. Just felt the need to defend Serena, b/c she's not one of them.