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Old 06-13-2006, 07:55 PM   #1
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Default Max Fleischer Superman or Bruce Timm Superman, which do you prefer?

Like the title says, in terms of animation and what not, which do you prefer - the Max Fleischer Superman or the Bruce Timm Superman?

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Old 06-13-2006, 07:55 PM   #2
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I prefer the Fleischer version every time

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Old 06-14-2006, 12:37 AM   #3
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Bruce Timm Superman all the way, Still I love the Fleischer version as well .

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Old 06-15-2006, 10:15 AM   #4
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Bruce timm's design for supes, but Fleischer's animation

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Bruce timm's design for supes, but Fleischer's animation
This.
I would have loved it if Bruce Timm's original idea to have Superman: TAS resemble the Fleischer cartoons came to fruition.
I've seen the concept art before, but can't find it

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Old 06-27-2012, 04:53 AM   #6
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FLEISCHER!

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June 26, 2012: Did You Know? Karol Krauser was Fleischer's Superman Model
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It has been well documented that when Paramount Pictures approached Fleischer Studios about producing a series of animated shorts dedicated to Superman they were less than enthusiastic about taking on the project, quoting a figure of $100,000 per episode (four times the going rate of the time), thinking the price would be too high for Paramount to accept and that would be the end of that. However Paramount said, "Okay, go ahead" and the rest (as they say) is history.

While the Fleischer Superman would obviously be based on the character drawn by Joe Shuster as seen in "Action Comics" and "Superman" comic books, they employed a technique known as "Rotoscoping" in which real-life figures were traced in ink, frame by frame, making the animated figures more believable.

Whether he was used in this fashion or not is unknown, but professional wrestler Karol Krauser was used as the male model by the Fleischers to aid in their portrayal of Superman for the animated shorts.

Born August 24, 1912 in Hollyoke, MA, Karol is best known as one of the Kalmikoff Brothers, Mad Russians, in the wrestling world of the 1950s and 1960s. In 1939 or 1940 Krauser modeled for the Fleischer Studios in Florida for the Superman animated shorts.

Interestingly, Stan Laurel (from Laurel and Hardy) was best man at his Krauser's wedding.

Karuser died of a heart attack immediately following his wrestling match in Salt Lake City on September 12, 1964.

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Old 06-27-2012, 05:49 PM   #7
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I will say of Timm's designs, I prefer TAS as opposed to JLU. I'm just not a fan of the super cheek bones of JLU.

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Old 06-27-2012, 10:45 PM   #8
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Bruce Timms. Fleischer was good for it's time though.

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Old 06-28-2012, 12:56 AM   #9
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the Fleischer Superman cartoons all the way... Bruce Timm wimpified Superman to a new level purposefully.

the Fleischer cartoons will always be timeless, and no other superman cartoon has even come close to matching the animation level that the Fleischer cartoons had.

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Old 06-28-2012, 01:05 PM   #10
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I have to go with Fleischer while Timm's Superman was great they really did a diservice to him in JL with his cheekbones and weakining him which only improved in the 2nd season to JLU. Fleischer Superman was the classic hero.

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Old 09-12-2013, 08:08 PM   #11
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the Fleischer cartoons will always be timeless, and no other superman cartoon has even come close to matching the animation level that the Fleischer cartoons had.
I agree. There will NEVER be a better non-comic book interpretation than the Fleischer toons IMO, only second to STM.

Bruce Timm seemed like he didn't know what to do with Superman. It almost seems like he doesn't get the character. You can't blame the bad parts of that series on writers as THEY HAD PAUL DINI!

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Old 12-22-2013, 01:19 PM   #12
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Where can i see his original designs for Superman: The Animated Series? I'm intrigued by what his other ideas were.

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I agree. There will NEVER be a better non-comic book interpretation than the Fleischer toons IMO, only second to STM.

Bruce Timm seemed like he didn't know what to do with Superman. It almost seems like he doesn't get the character. You can't blame the bad parts of that series on writers as THEY HAD PAUL DINI!
Doesn't Ultimate Spider-Man have Paul Dini too?

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Old 12-22-2013, 04:43 PM   #13
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Doesn't Ultimate Spider-Man have Paul Dini too?
That is true. I guess its all about the vision of a particular series.

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Old 12-30-2013, 08:22 AM   #14
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That is true. I guess its all about the vision of a particular series.
If anything Bruce Timm was probably a bigger fanboy than Paul Dini, in some interviews of the animated series Timm talks about getting fanboy angry at first due to the changes to Brainiac coming from Krypton, but that then he started to like the idea, so most changes to from the mythos probably came from Dini and the writers.

While not on the level of Fleischer, Superman: The Animated Series really deserves recognition, very well done cartoon, also had an interesting look.

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Old 06-28-2012, 08:39 PM   #15
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Fleischer's Superman was all thriller no filler. Add to that Bud Collyer's voice (Who I think is the definitive Superman voice) and you have the definitive hero

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Old 07-03-2012, 10:41 PM   #16
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Fleischer by a mile.

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Old 07-04-2012, 12:28 AM   #17
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Old 07-16-2012, 04:49 PM   #18
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In terms of animation and style, Fleischer wins for me. But overall I prefer STAS, mostly because the format allows for more characterization, story and drama, which is a big key for me and my love for Superman and his world.

Both are great at what they do though.

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Old 07-23-2012, 11:59 AM   #19
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In terms of animation and style, Fleischer wins for me. But overall I prefer STAS, mostly because the format allows for more characterization, story and drama, which is a big key for me and my love for Superman and his world.

Both are great at what they do though.
Agreed. 7 - 10 minute shorts vs 22+ minute episodes isn't exactly fair now is it?
Plus the wealth of characters DC had at their disposal too.
Think I'm in the minority of people who prefers S:TAS to B:TAS

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Old 08-24-2012, 10:02 AM   #20
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In terms of animation and style, Fleischer wins for me. But overall I prefer STAS, mostly because the format allows for more characterization, story and drama, which is a big key for me and my love for Superman and his world.

Both are great at what they do though.
Agree on all points. Timm has built in advantage of longer episodes to work with, which does nothing to diminish his standing in my eyes. I'll give the slight nod to Timm.

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Fleischer.

WB needs to get Superman shorts back in theatres.

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Fleischer.

WB needs to get Superman shorts back in theatres.
In today's world? On a mass release nationwide, the GA wouldn't understand the racism and the political implications, even though many of those shows were WW2 themed. The Liberals would whine, at least in America.

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Old 07-22-2012, 03:03 PM   #23
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I love Timm's work. That's not to say the Fleischer ones aren't great in their own way, but Timm has reallly pushed the envelope and brought DCAU to the forefront of exciting cartoons and cartoon drama.

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I've heard so many people talk about how Superman would kill Lois if they ever had sex, but I've never heard someone make this point before and it's brilliant. If Superman's bodily fluids are so dangerous, then he'd have to use a kryptonite toilet every time he takes a dump.
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Old 07-24-2012, 09:55 PM   #24
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Absolutely the Fleischer cartoons. That was my introduction to the character. I was 3 or 4 and watching the Mummy Strikes and I can distinctly remember being afraid when they showed the mummies, but as soon as Superman came on screen I felt safe. The animation is miles ahead of it's time and still looks better to me. Really classic, pure stories as well. Nothing against Bruce Timm version either though. I love those so much as well.

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Fleischer Superman all the way.

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