Nolan Introduction to Batman: TLH (Absolute Edition)

[rory_bat]

This is probably a useless thread, but has anyone read Chris Nolan's intro to Batman: The Long Halloween (Absolute Edition)?? I am dying to know what he wrote and if it alludes to the comics influence on TDK and his vision of the Batman universe.

(if anyone owns it and wants to scan it and post it, please do).

[Micah12345]

ooooo didn't know about this. I would like to read it myself.

[peteagassi]

I don't know how to scan, so i'll just summarize:

Chris Nolan basically talks about how TLH is going to have a huge influence on 'THE DARK KNIGHT' He also calls it a Crime epic, and a tragic story. He also mentions how Goyer and himself had Harvey Dent included in Begins, in the very early stages, but ultimately was too big of a character to have been included. "We couldn't have done him justice." So Rachel was added as a stand in. He also mentions how TLH was a strong influence on creating the triangle in Begins; Batman uses the cops and the D.A. to rid the streets of the criminal element.

Christopher Nolan and David Goyer spoke about TLH on November 15, 2006, a few weeks before principal photography began on THE DARK KNIGHT.

That's basically all the good parts.

[rory_bat]

Originally Posted by peteagassi

I don't know how to scan, so i'll just summarize:

Chris Nolan basically talks about how TLH is going to have a huge influence on 'THE DARK KNIGHT' He also calls it a Crime epic, and a tragic story. He also mentions how Goyer and himself had Harvey Dent included in Begins, in the very early stages, but ultimately was too big of a character to have been included. "We couldn't have done him justice." So Rachel was added as a stand in. He also mentions how TLH was a strong influence on creating the triangle in Begins; Batman uses the cops and the D.A. to rid the streets of the criminal element.

Christopher Nolan and David Goyer spoke about TLH on November 15, 2006, a few weeks before principal photography began on THE DARK KNIGHT.

That's basically all the good parts.

Excellent! I love how he is approaching this series and I really look forward to his take on Dent. The more I hear him talk about his plans for Batman, the more respect I have for him (not that I could respect him anymore... he is my favorite director working today )

[Yurka]

Originally Posted by peteagassi

I don't know how to scan, so i'll just summarize:

Chris Nolan basically talks about how TLH is going to have a huge influence on 'THE DARK KNIGHT' He also calls it a Crime epic, and a tragic story. He also mentions how Goyer and himself had Harvey Dent included in Begins, in the very early stages, but ultimately was too big of a character to have been included. "We couldn't have done him justice." So Rachel was added as a stand in. He also mentions how TLH was a strong influence on creating the triangle in Begins; Batman uses the cops and the D.A. to rid the streets of the criminal element.

Christopher Nolan and David Goyer spoke about TLH on November 15, 2006, a few weeks before principal photography began on THE DARK KNIGHT.

That's basically all the good parts.

Very cool

I didn't even know about this.

[Hole Shot]

Originally Posted by peteagassi

I don't know how to scan, so i'll just summarize:

NO! Type it word for word. I'm leaving for dinner now, I expect to see the entire document upon my return.

[rory_bat]

Originally Posted by Hole Shot

NO! Type it word for word. I'm leaving for dinner now, I expect to see the entire document upon my return.

I agree! Let's see it!

[Juanigi]

kill the non-transcriber!

[The Universal]

Nice.

[peteagassi]

Here it is folks! Enjoy! (For the alphabetically challenged: CN = Chris Nolan DG = David Goyer)

INTRODUCTION: A Conversation with Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer

CN: When you’re putting together a Batman film, people always ask, “Are you looking at this comic book or that comic book?” And the truth is you look at all of them. As a filmmaker, though, THE LONG HALLOWEEN was one Batman story that really drew me in in terms of cinematic potential.

DG: It is cinematic. I think TLH stands out as probably the most ambitious Batman story that’s been told. It certainly feels like the most densely plotted.

CN: It’s a crime epic. Jeph Loeb did this incredible job of taking the more exotic elements of the Batman universe and grounding them in a believable world. He took supporting characters and gave them real lives and real emotions. And real consequences to their actions. This has tremendous impact on the reader. TLH is more than a comic book. It’s an epic tragedy.

DG: Right. And Tim Sale’s artwork accentuates that by relying on a restricted color palette and a strong usage of shadow. It creates this stylistic balance between being expressionistic but also feeling somewhat realistic. It reminds me of Fritz Lang’s M. Most of the time people want to make these things look more like Metropolis, but I think it looks and feels more like M.

CN: Exactly. The artwork is fantastically noirish. It portrays this massive American city and the underworld that threatens to envelop it in striking detail and remarkable scope.

DG: In so many of the previous depictions of Batman, he was running around fighting bad guys in a vacuum. The machinations of the police, the corruption within the force, how Batman, and Gordon, and Dent negotiate all of that-none of that has been examined prior to TLH.

CN: Well, we co-opted TLH’s idea of the triumvirate for Batman Begins to some extent, showing Batman function as one point of a strong triangle with the police and the D.A. by acting as a force that can crack things open and provide a wedge against all the corruption.

DG: That scene on the rooftop between Gordon, Dent, and Batman in TLH – in which you realize Batman can obviously bring criminals to justice, but he needs the police to arrest them and the D.A.’s office to prosecute them – that was something new that Jeph Loeb introduced into the lore. For Batman Begins, we used Rachel instead of Dent as the pinnacle of the triangle, but she still served the same function.

CN: Same function exactly. TLH suggested a very strong utility for Batman in Gotham, which helped us because when you try to adapt the character into a movie in a realistic manner, you’re left with that question, “Okay, what’s Batman’s purpose?” He can’t be everywhere at once. He’s not superhuman. He’s just a regular guy. So how will he be most effective? How can he leverage his skills to transform the whole city? TLH answered that question, positioning Batman and Bruce Wayne as a part of a greater mechanism in Gotham. Along those lines, I was impressed with how seamlessly Loeb and Sale were able to intergrate the more fantastical elements of Batman, more notably the villains, within the context of the real world, striking a balance that felt credible. It was a great inspiration to us in terms of tonality.

DG: That’s certainly the case with Jim Gordon. TLH really ran with what Year One started, giving us an entirely different depiction of Gordon. Previously in the comic books, in the movies, and in the TV show, Gordon was this kind of bumbling, avuncular character, whereas in these stories, he’s depicted as this beleaguered, mid-level sergeant in this rampantly corrupt police force, which is the Gordon we meet in Batman Begins.

CN: Yes. And I think as we get on with THE DARK KNIGHT, TLH is becoming more influential in terms of Harvey Dent. Throughout writing Batman Begins, we had always talked a lot about dealing with Harvey Dent, whether or not to feature him in some way in the movie. I think we had him in there in the very earliest stages of conception.

DG: Yeah, we did. Briefly.

CN: And then we realized we couldn’t do him justice.

DG: For me, there are three major comic book influences within the Batman lore. There’s YEAR ONE, the Neal Adams stuff, and there is TLH. But by the time THE DARK KNIGHT comes out, it will become apparent that TLH is the preeminent influence on both movies.

CN: Yeah, I think that could be right.

Christopher Nolan and David Goyer spoke about TLH on November 15, 2006, a few weeks before principal photography began on TDK.

[rory_bat]

Originally Posted by peteagassi

Here it is folks! Enjoy! (For the alphabetically challenged: CN = Chris Nolan DG = David Goyer)

INTRODUCTION: A Conversation with Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer

CN: When you’re putting together a Batman film, people always ask, “Are you looking at this comic book or that comic book?” And the truth is you look at all of them. As a filmmaker, though, THE LONG HALLOWEEN was one Batman story that really drew me in in terms of cinematic potential.

DG: It is cinematic. I think TLH stands out as probably the most ambitious Batman story that’s been told. It certainly feels like the most densely plotted.

CN: It’s a crime epic. Jeph Loeb did this incredible job of taking the more exotic elements of the Batman universe and grounding them in a believable world. He took supporting characters and gave them real lives and real emotions. And real consequences to their actions. This has tremendous impact on the reader. TLH is more than a comic book. It’s an epic tragedy.

DG: Right. And Tim Sale’s artwork accentuates that by relying on a restricted color palette and a strong usage of shadow. It creates this stylistic balance between being expressionistic but also feeling somewhat realistic. It reminds me of Fritz Lang’s M. Most of the time people want to make these things look more like Metropolis, but I think it looks and feels more like M.

CN: Exactly. The artwork is fantastically noirish. It portrays this massive American city and the underworld that threatens to envelop it in striking detail and remarkable scope.

DG: In so many of the previous depictions of Batman, he was running around fighting bad guys in a vacuum. The machinations of the police, the corruption within the force, how Batman, and Gordon, and Dent negotiate all of that-none of that has been examined prior to TLH.

CN: Well, we co-opted TLH’s idea of the triumvirate for Batman Begins to some extent, showing Batman function as one point of a strong triangle with the police and the D.A. by acting as a force that can crack things open and provide a wedge against all the corruption.

DG: That scene on the rooftop between Gordon, Dent, and Batman in TLH – in which you realize Batman can obviously bring criminals to justice, but he needs the police to arrest them and the D.A.’s office to prosecute them – that was something new that Jeph Loeb introduced into the lore. For Batman Begins, we used Rachel instead of Dent as the pinnacle of the triangle, but she still served the same function.

CN: Same function exactly. TLH suggested a very strong utility for Batman in Gotham, which helped us because when you try to adapt the character into a movie in a realistic manner, you’re left with that question, “Okay, what’s Batman’s purpose?” He can’t be everywhere at once. He’s not superhuman. He’s just a regular guy. So how will he be most effective? How can he leverage his skills to transform the whole city? TLH answered that question, positioning Batman and Bruce Wayne as a part of a greater mechanism in Gotham. Along those lines, I was impressed with how seamlessly Loeb and Sale were able to intergrate the more fantastical elements of Batman, more notably the villains, within the context of the real world, striking a balance that felt credible. It was a great inspiration to us in terms of tonality.

DG: That’s certainly the case with Jim Gordon. TLH really ran with what Year One started, giving us an entirely different depiction of Gordon. Previously in the comic books, in the movies, and in the TV show, Gordon was this kind of bumbling, avuncular character, whereas in these stories, he’s depicted as this beleaguered, mid-level sergeant in this rampantly corrupt police force, which is the Gordon we meet in Batman Begins.

CN: Yes. And I think as we get on with THE DARK KNIGHT, TLH is becoming more influential in terms of Harvey Dent. Throughout writing Batman Begins, we had always talked a lot about dealing with Harvey Dent, whether or not to feature him in some way in the movie. I think we had him in there in the very earliest stages of conception.

DG: Yeah, we did. Briefly.

CN: And then we realized we couldn’t do him justice.

DG: For me, there are three major comic book influences within the Batman lore. There’s YEAR ONE, the Neal Adams stuff, and there is TLH. But by the time THE DARK KNIGHT comes out, it will become apparent that TLH is the preeminent influence on both movies.

CN: Yeah, I think that could be right.

Christopher Nolan and David Goyer spoke about TLH on November 15, 2006, a few weeks before principal photography began on TDK.

Excellent!!!! Bravo for typing this out... great stuff. Thanks again.

It is great to see that TLH's Dent is a major influence on Nolan's Dent (hence the "I Believe in Harvey Dent")

[Hole Shot]

Originally Posted by peteagassi

Here it is folks! Enjoy! (For the alphabetically challenged: CN = Chris Nolan DG = David Goyer)

Wow! I didn't expect you to really do it, but I just got back from dinner and here it is! Nice work, thanks! We owe you some SHH! bucks or something.

[rory_bat]

Originally Posted by Hole Shot

Wow! I didn't expect you to really do it, but I just got back from dinner and here it is! Nice work, thanks! We owe you some SHH! bucks or something.

A few gold bat stars maybe...

[rory_bat]

Originally Posted by Hole Shot

Wow! I didn't expect you to really do it, but I just got back from dinner and here it is! Nice work, thanks! We owe you some SHH! bucks or something.

That was a long dinner, haha.

[Two-Face]

Originally Posted by peteagassi

Here it is folks! Enjoy! (For the alphabetically challenged: CN = Chris Nolan DG = David Goyer)

INTRODUCTION: A Conversation with Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer

CN: When you’re putting together a Batman film, people always ask, “Are you looking at this comic book or that comic book?” And the truth is you look at all of them. As a filmmaker, though, THE LONG HALLOWEEN was one Batman story that really drew me in in terms of cinematic potential.

DG: It is cinematic. I think TLH stands out as probably the most ambitious Batman story that’s been told. It certainly feels like the most densely plotted.

CN: It’s a crime epic. Jeph Loeb did this incredible job of taking the more exotic elements of the Batman universe and grounding them in a believable world. He took supporting characters and gave them real lives and real emotions. And real consequences to their actions. This has tremendous impact on the reader. TLH is more than a comic book. It’s an epic tragedy.

DG: Right. And Tim Sale’s artwork accentuates that by relying on a restricted color palette and a strong usage of shadow. It creates this stylistic balance between being expressionistic but also feeling somewhat realistic. It reminds me of Fritz Lang’s M. Most of the time people want to make these things look more like Metropolis, but I think it looks and feels more like M.

CN: Exactly. The artwork is fantastically noirish. It portrays this massive American city and the underworld that threatens to envelop it in striking detail and remarkable scope.

DG: In so many of the previous depictions of Batman, he was running around fighting bad guys in a vacuum. The machinations of the police, the corruption within the force, how Batman, and Gordon, and Dent negotiate all of that-none of that has been examined prior to TLH.

CN: Well, we co-opted TLH’s idea of the triumvirate for Batman Begins to some extent, showing Batman function as one point of a strong triangle with the police and the D.A. by acting as a force that can crack things open and provide a wedge against all the corruption.

DG: That scene on the rooftop between Gordon, Dent, and Batman in TLH – in which you realize Batman can obviously bring criminals to justice, but he needs the police to arrest them and the D.A.’s office to prosecute them – that was something new that Jeph Loeb introduced into the lore. For Batman Begins, we used Rachel instead of Dent as the pinnacle of the triangle, but she still served the same function.

CN: Same function exactly. TLH suggested a very strong utility for Batman in Gotham, which helped us because when you try to adapt the character into a movie in a realistic manner, you’re left with that question, “Okay, what’s Batman’s purpose?” He can’t be everywhere at once. He’s not superhuman. He’s just a regular guy. So how will he be most effective? How can he leverage his skills to transform the whole city? TLH answered that question, positioning Batman and Bruce Wayne as a part of a greater mechanism in Gotham. Along those lines, I was impressed with how seamlessly Loeb and Sale were able to intergrate the more fantastical elements of Batman, more notably the villains, within the context of the real world, striking a balance that felt credible. It was a great inspiration to us in terms of tonality.

DG: That’s certainly the case with Jim Gordon. TLH really ran with what Year One started, giving us an entirely different depiction of Gordon. Previously in the comic books, in the movies, and in the TV show, Gordon was this kind of bumbling, avuncular character, whereas in these stories, he’s depicted as this beleaguered, mid-level sergeant in this rampantly corrupt police force, which is the Gordon we meet in Batman Begins.

CN: Yes. And I think as we get on with THE DARK KNIGHT, TLH is becoming more influential in terms of Harvey Dent. Throughout writing Batman Begins, we had always talked a lot about dealing with Harvey Dent, whether or not to feature him in some way in the movie. I think we had him in there in the very earliest stages of conception.

DG: Yeah, we did. Briefly.

CN: And then we realized we couldn’t do him justice.

DG: For me, there are three major comic book influences within the Batman lore. There’s YEAR ONE, the Neal Adams stuff, and there is TLH. But by the time THE DARK KNIGHT comes out, it will become apparent that TLH is the preeminent influence on both movies.

CN: Yeah, I think that could be right.

Christopher Nolan and David Goyer spoke about TLH on November 15, 2006, a few weeks before principal photography began on TDK.

Thanks for this, I didn;t buy this cos I already have original released comic book.

[Carmine Falcone]

Originally Posted by peteagassi

Here it is folks! Enjoy! (For the alphabetically challenged: CN = Chris Nolan DG = David Goyer)

INTRODUCTION: A Conversation with Christopher Nolan and David S. Goyer

Sweee-heeeeeeeeeeeet!

[Juanigi]

Originally Posted by Juanigi

kill the non-transcriber!

cancel the execution

[Tempest19]

same here- boo!!!! TYPE IT!!!! Lol.

[DorneyDave]

Could ya scan this?

[Untilteld]

lets see this

[jgc]

the long halloween

[thedarks0ldier]

well, so much for that thread swearing "TDK isn't TLH!!!1!'

[BaleIsTheBatman]

Thanks!

[Thespiralgoeson]

Ugh, not that the movie isn't going to be awesome, but I honestly don't think there is any comic in existence more overrated than TLH.

[The Sage]

Originally Posted by Thespiralgoeson

Ugh, not that the movie isn't going to be awesome, but I honestly don't think there is any comic in existence more overrated than TLH.

Sure there is. It's called the Dark Knight Returns.