The Incredible Ultimate Hulk

Wolfman · 10-02-2007, 04:00 AM

Assuming everyone's visited those huge spoiler sites that are news in the frontpage, we'll be getting

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

Gamma Ra · 10-02-2007, 07:13 PM

It seems to be a mixture of all the Hulk's apearances. The Ultimate Universe, the 616 univerese, and the television series.

EmeraldBeast · 10-02-2007, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolfman

Assuming everyone's visited those huge spoiler sites that are news in the frontpage, we'll be getting

Spoiler!!! Click to Read!:

I feel fine with it. I'm happy a better movie is being made and that we will get a action packed Hulk movie the way it was supposed to be.

Wolfman · 10-03-2007, 02:49 AM

Yeah, I don't have a problem with this origin either... well maybe little. But I can live with it. Now, the ultimate Hulk kills people, so if he kills in the movie, are you okay with that?

I think it has to be that way. It was so stupid in Ang Lee's movie that they had to show that no one was killed, like the soldiers in the tank Hulk threw or the guy in the helicopter. But in this movie, when Hulk goes rampage in the city, there's gotta be some casualties. Of course it can be a tricky thing, but I didn't hate Frankenstein when he threw that girl in the lake. I'm talking about the 1933 Frankenstein with Boris Karloff. So I might be okay with Hulk killing... Anyways, to keep this thread alive; discuss.

Norm3 · 10-03-2007, 07:41 AM

If this is Ultimite Hulk I'll skip it. They had to screw with the origin yet again.

GNR · 10-03-2007, 05:00 PM

the origin makes sense if they're going to tie all these movies together (Cap,Avengers/Ultimates)

AVEITWITHJAMON · 10-03-2007, 05:31 PM

^But why do they need to tie them together? They did in the comics without changing origins.

wobbly · 10-03-2007, 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by AVEITWITHJAMON

^But why do they need to tie them together? They did in the comics without changing origins.

Ok, I really don't want to defend this Ultimate version super soldier idea route...but it should be said that originally Lee & Kirby had no idea that their characters would eventually spawn a big connected universe: each title was self-contained in it's own little world (In an early FF issue they even showed the Hulk as being no more than a comic book character)
They quickly changed all that though and soon Spider-Man appeared with the FF, The Hulk also turned up in FF and a little while after that the Avengers all got together too, and the 616 universe was born.

Now the Ultimate line has come along and they have been following the Super Soldier/Government think-tank ideas to connect that world from the outset: Ultimate Spider-Man even has his origin based in part on that. Clearly it seems they like the idea that Captain America would connect so much of what was to follow and if the goal is to eventually have a connected film franchise featuring all the original Avengers (which I think is possible if Marvel hold the film rights to them all) this would be a pretty neat way to connect all those dots in the end.

But...as you said, it wasn't done like this originally and now matter how neat an idea it may be it is still isn't needed now: Not everything has to be connected for them to still go on to work together down the line.

And getting to why I don't want to defend the Ultimate origins...Personally I think the 616 Hulk has the most powerful and visually stunning origins ever, and an injection or a lab overdose/accident can never trump the man being blasted by the rads from a Nuclear bomb.

SpaghettiHULK · 10-03-2007, 06:57 PM

Yes, why they need a nod to the Super Soldier Serum to tie them together? They can do all that they wants, also without recombinings the origin... Is Tony Stark in search of any "Super Soldier Serum" too?

wobbly · 10-03-2007, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SpaghettiHULK

Yes, why they need a nod to the Super Soldier Serum to tie them togheter? They can do all that they wants, also without recombinings the origin... Is Tony Stark in search of any "Super Soldier Serum" too?

I guess it can be argued Stark is designing a super soldier too, but is using mechanics rather than biology.

SpaghettiHULK · 10-03-2007, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by wobbly

I guess it can be argued Stark is designing a super soldier too, but is using mechanics rather than biology.

But it doesn't make sense... why should thay need everyone to work on some sort of "super soldier", to tie them together?

wobbly · 10-03-2007, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by SpaghettiHULK

But it doesn't make sense... why should thay need everyone to work on some sort of "super soldier", to tie them together?

They don't need to at all. It's just a theme that has recurred in the Ultimate lines development and unfortunately some elements from those books do keep creeping into these films.

BatFitz · 10-04-2007, 01:01 AM

It seems Ed Norton has been doing his homework...

10-02-2007, 04:00 AM	#1
Wolfman Side-Kick Join Date: May 2007 Location: Crawling in my skin. Posts: 795	The Incredible Ultimate Hulk Assuming everyone's visited those huge spoiler sites that are news in the frontpage, we'll be getting Spoiler!!! Click to Read!: the ultimate Hulk origin. No gammabomb, just Bruce Banner shooting some gammadope in his veins

10-02-2007, 07:13 PM	#2
Gamma Ra Your - Mr. Nice Guy Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,546	Re: The Incredible Ultimate Hulk It seems to be a mixture of all the Hulk's apearances. The Ultimate Universe, the 616 univerese, and the television series. __________________ *"Well, one thing I’ve been saying is that on the TV show they should make the Hulk a bit more intelligent."* Stan Lee 1978 Interview

10-03-2007, 02:49 AM	#4
Wolfman Side-Kick Join Date: May 2007 Location: Crawling in my skin. Posts: 795	Re: The Incredible Ultimate Hulk Yeah, I don't have a problem with this origin either... well maybe little. But I can live with it. Now, the ultimate Hulk kills people, so if he kills in the movie, are you okay with that? I think it has to be that way. It was so stupid in Ang Lee's movie that they had to show that no one was killed, like the soldiers in the tank Hulk threw or the guy in the helicopter. But in this movie, when Hulk goes rampage in the city, there's gotta be some casualties. Of course it can be a tricky thing, but I didn't hate Frankenstein when he threw that girl in the lake. I'm talking about the 1933 Frankenstein with Boris Karloff. So I might be okay with Hulk killing... Anyways, to keep this thread alive; discuss.

10-03-2007, 07:41 AM	#5
Norm3 Side-Kick Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Pa Posts: 713	Re: The Incredible Ultimate Hulk If this is Ultimite Hulk I'll skip it. They had to screw with the origin yet again. __________________ Its his RAGE not his size!!!!!!!!!!

10-03-2007, 05:00 PM	#6
GNR worships John Matrix. Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 10,822	Re: The Incredible Ultimate Hulk the origin makes sense if they're going to tie all these movies together (Cap,Avengers/Ultimates)

10-03-2007, 05:31 PM	#7
AVEITWITHJAMON Terminator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Liverpool, U.K Posts: 21,481	Re: The Incredible Ultimate Hulk ^But why do they need to tie them together? They did in the comics without changing origins. __________________ 2013: 1)Django Unchained-9(2)Star Trek Into Darkness-9(3)Iron Man 3-9(4)Evil Dead-8(5)Oblivion-8(6)The Last Stand-7.5(7)Oz: The Great And Powerful-7.5(8)Jack The Giant Slayer-7.5

10-03-2007, 06:57 PM	#9
SpaghettiHULK Side-Kick Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Italy Posts: 801	Re: The Incredible Ultimate Hulk Yes, why they need a nod to the Super Soldier Serum to tie them together? They can do all that they wants, also without recombinings the origin... Is Tony Stark in search of any "Super Soldier Serum" too? Last edited by SpaghettiHULK; 10-03-2007 at 07:02 PM.

10-04-2007, 01:01 AM	#13
BatFitz Side-Kick Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Earth Posts: 914	Re: The Incredible Ultimate Hulk It seems Ed Norton has been doing his homework... __________________ Dr Ray Stantz: "Symmetrical book stacking. Just like the Philadelphia mass turbulence of 1947." Dr. Peter Venkman: "You're right, no human being would stack books like this."

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