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Old 08-13-2008, 02:21 AM   #1
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Well...given that there is alot of high-budget shows with good effects and production values, like the terminator in the sarah conner chronicles ...I was wondering if it is possible to see a batman series set AFTER the third Nolan film.


There is almost no need for CGI at all really...hence, it can be made with a smaller budget, and given that they can just shoot on location, in chicago...there is not much need for props. Basing gotham in a more plausible world makes the budget for a batman series much lower, as compared to setting it in a Burton era gotham.


Also, no need to have to much CGI-heavy villian.

All it needs is just some good story telling.

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live action Batman belongs on the big screen and the big screen onlyyy

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I was thinking the exact same thing earlier, and wanted to make a post. You beat me to it.

I figure since we're probably gonna lose Nolan and Co. after number 3, why not go for a TV series afterwards? An hour-long, live action version of BTAS that follows after Nolan's third film.

It would give them a chance to explore the universe so much more. They could go through so many more storylines and have so many more characters, rather than being limited to only 2 and half hours of story every 3 years.

So I vote yes, unless Nolan, Bale, Oldman, Freeman, and Caine all want to do a fourth movie.

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I was thinking the exact same thing earlier, and wanted to make a post. You beat me to it.

I figure since we're probably gonna lose Nolan and Co. after number 3, why not go for a TV series afterwards? An hour-long, live action version of BTAS that follows after Nolan's third film.

It would give them a chance to explore the universe so much more. They could go through so many more storylines and have so many more characters, rather than being limited to only 2 and half hours of story every 3 years.

So I vote yes, unless Nolan, Bale, Oldman, Freeman, and Caine all want to do a fourth movie.
i didnt picture myself saying this but i agree. with the major success of some of these tv shows it could be cool. would have to have superb storytelling and very intriguing ideas but it could work. you could use the new flexible suit and also use the tumbler. i would look forward to it every season.

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Another reason is...after Nolan has completed the 3rd film, there is bound to have a time gap in between the current film series, and the next film series.

A tv series should fill that gap up nicely.

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I like this idea. It could be relatively easy to do. If S***ville is allowed to exist then Batman should have no problem, especially now. Cool thing is we would be able to see the more obscure Batman villains, since they can't just rehash The Joker or Scarecrow.

I wouldn't want this show to last forever though, maybe 3 seasons, 5 tops.

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It shouldn't last forever, but I'd like it to last long enough to cover most of the really good, important Batman story arcs. If they leave Robin out of Batman 3, then his introduction could be the first major plot point for the series. You could get through a whole lot of the mythology if you had a few seasons of 22 hour-long episodes.

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Only if HBO did it, as they're the only network that could do it, keep the darkness, and make it not look cheap. I actually had a dream about that after Batman Begins. It was kind of a cross between "The Wire" and Nolan's Bat-verse, and it was called "Gotham." I know, I'm not very creative when I'm unconscious.

But yeah, it would be awesome if HBO took a chance on material like this.

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Only if HBO did it, as they're the only network that could do it, keep the darkness, and make it not look cheap. I actually had a dream about that after Batman Begins. It was kind of a cross between "The Wire" and Nolan's Bat-verse, and it was called "Gotham." I know, I'm not very creative when I'm unconscious.

But yeah, it would be awesome if HBO took a chance on material like this.
I was thinking that same thing. If it were to end up on the WB, it'll end up being another prime time soap opera.

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I was thinking that same thing. If it were to end up on the WB, it'll end up being another prime time soap opera.
Not necessarily. Supernatural and Angel both really surprised me of how amazing of quality they had/still have, regardless of them being on a network known for teen soap operas.

I think that, with the right creative team, Gotham Central on The CW could be great.

Also, I'd rather it not be on HBO, so I wouldnt have to wait until a terribly overpriced DVD came out to see it. NBC, please. It be such a great series to put on the same night as Heroes.

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Not necessarily. Supernatural and Angel both really surprised me of how amazing of quality they had/still have, regardless of them being on a network known for teen soap operas.
I say this as a huge fan of Buffy and Angel: WB/CW shows always look cheap. ALWAYS. Because they simply are. It's not just the sets, either. A show like Gossip Girl (no, I don't watch it, but I've seen snippets) that shoots on location instead of sound stages still looks cheap because of the way it's shot. It looks like TV while HBO shows look like movies. It's the cinematography, attention to detail (which goes into "production values"), and editing that just make all the difference in the world.

AND, they never lose their teen demographic skew. Supernatural is absolutely aimed toward the teenagers: they grab the guys with the "darkness" and they grab the girls with their pretty shirtless lead actors. I'm not dissing it, either. I say a good story is a good story, no matter the demographic. Otherwise, Veronica Mars would not be one of my favorite shows ever, as it was clearly a "high school show" in its 1st two (best) seasons, and I was a bit old for high school shows when it 1st aired. But it happened to be a VERY good, different, and often brilliant high school show that simply told a great story with fascinating characters. Angel did get quite dark, but it was always still a bit soapy, and never forgot its main demographic. This Batman show, if it was going to follow Nolan's lead, would need to avoid that "catering to the teen demo" stigma the CW attaches to every one of their shows.

And NBC has yet to handle a show with the kind of grittiness/gravitas this would require. I like Heroes just fine, but it's totally a guilty pleasure, with plenty of its share of cheese and mediocre writing.

If you want it to be handled by the best talent the industry has to offer and be given the type of budget it deserves, it just has to be HBO. There's a reason their shows cost more. Though I do agree they're still a bit overpriced.

Man, I feel like I'm advertising for HBO and I don't even regularly watch anything on there anymore, lol. They just need their edge back (aka risky big-budget concepts), and in this dream scenario, a Batman/Gotham City show would be perfect for that.


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AND, they never lose their teen demographic skew. Supernatural is absolutely aimed toward the teenagers: they grab the guys with the "darkness" and they grab the girls with their pretty shirtless lead actors. I'm not dissing it, either. I say a good story is a good story, no matter the demographic. Otherwise, Veronica Mars would not be one of my favorite shows ever, as it was clearly a "high school show" in its 1st two (best) seasons, and I was a bit old for high school shows when it 1st aired. But it happened to be a VERY good, different, and often brilliant high school show that simply told a great story with fascinating characters. Angel did get quite dark, but it was always still a bit soapy, and never forgot its main demographic. This Batman show, if it was going to follow Nolan's lead, would need to avoid that "catering to the teen demo" stigma the CW attaches to every one of their shows.
Definately agreed. I mean, the show wouldn't even have any teenaged cast members. I cant imagne them doing their advertisments with all their stars dressed up nice in front of flashy backgrounds, and having whoever would play Gordon up there with Tom Welling and whoever the hell else.

Now, a Nightwing series, that would fit in right at home on the CW.

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I say this as a huge fan of Buffy and Angel: WB/CW shows always look cheap. ALWAYS. Because they simply are. It's not just the sets, either. A show like Gossip Girl (no, I don't watch it, but I've seen snippets) that shoots on location instead of sound stages still looks cheap because of the way it's shot. It looks like TV while HBO shows look like movies. It's the cinematography, attention to detail (which goes into "production values"), and editing that just make all the difference in the world.

AND, they never lose their teen demographic skew. Supernatural is absolutely aimed toward the teenagers: they grab the guys with the "darkness" and they grab the girls with their pretty shirtless lead actors. I'm not dissing it, either. I say a good story is a good story, no matter the demographic. Otherwise, Veronica Mars would not be one of my favorite shows ever, as it was clearly a "high school show" in its 1st two (best) seasons, and I was a bit old for high school shows when it 1st aired. But it happened to be a VERY good, different, and often brilliant high school show that simply told a great story with fascinating characters. Angel did get quite dark, but it was always still a bit soapy, and never forgot its main demographic. This Batman show, if it was going to follow Nolan's lead, would need to avoid that "catering to the teen demo" stigma the CW attaches to every one of their shows.

And NBC has yet to handle a show with the kind of grittiness/gravitas this would require. I like Heroes just fine, but it's totally a guilty pleasure, with plenty of its share of cheese and mediocre writing.

If you want it to be handled by the best talent the industry has to offer and be given the type of budget it deserves, it just has to be HBO. There's a reason their shows cost more. Though I do agree they're still a bit overpriced.

Man, I feel like I'm advertising for HBO and I don't even regularly watch anything on there anymore, lol. They just need their edge back (aka risky big-budget concepts), and in this dream scenario, a Batman/Gotham City show would be perfect for that.
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but IMO, you'res is insane.

Did you see the later seasons of Angel? It pretty damn much looked like a movie to me. And the writing matched that.

Supernatural, while I agree that the network its on tends to cater towards teenagers, is so much more than that. Face it, the writing, directing and acting lend the show to be far, far superior to the horror movies coming out in theatres these days.

IMO, that "catering to the teen demo" for the Batman show, would be Batman himself. Sure, they would probably hire a good looking, hopefully talented actor to play Bruce, but if the show has Batman, fans will come.

Also, I think people are putting HBO on a pedestal. Sure it has a few good shows, but it is no different than any other network, except you have swearing and nudity. Oh, and you have to pay extra.

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I say this as a huge fan of Buffy and Angel: WB/CW shows always look cheap. ALWAYS. Because they simply are. It's not just the sets, either. A show like Gossip Girl (no, I don't watch it, but I've seen snippets) that shoots on location instead of sound stages still looks cheap because of the way it's shot. It looks like TV while HBO shows look like movies. It's the cinematography, attention to detail (which goes into "production values"), and editing that just make all the difference in the world.

AND, they never lose their teen demographic skew. Supernatural is absolutely aimed toward the teenagers: they grab the guys with the "darkness" and they grab the girls with their pretty shirtless lead actors. I'm not dissing it, either. I say a good story is a good story, no matter the demographic. Otherwise, Veronica Mars would not be one of my favorite shows ever, as it was clearly a "high school show" in its 1st two (best) seasons, and I was a bit old for high school shows when it 1st aired. But it happened to be a VERY good, different, and often brilliant high school show that simply told a great story with fascinating characters. Angel did get quite dark, but it was always still a bit soapy, and never forgot its main demographic. This Batman show, if it was going to follow Nolan's lead, would need to avoid that "catering to the teen demo" stigma the CW attaches to every one of their shows.

And NBC has yet to handle a show with the kind of grittiness/gravitas this would require. I like Heroes just fine, but it's totally a guilty pleasure, with plenty of its share of cheese and mediocre writing.

If you want it to be handled by the best talent the industry has to offer and be given the type of budget it deserves, it just has to be HBO. There's a reason their shows cost more. Though I do agree they're still a bit overpriced.

Man, I feel like I'm advertising for HBO and I don't even regularly watch anything on there anymore, lol. They just need their edge back (aka risky big-budget concepts), and in this dream scenario, a Batman/Gotham City show would be perfect for that.
Agreed! Though for about 2 episodes in season 2 of Angel, it looked more professionally done, and looked like a movie rather than a TV show.

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or showtime. that would b cool. i have a lot of respect for showtime after dexter and californication

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^So do I. In fact, I don't even regularly watch any shows on HBO anymore, and I love 2 on Showtime (Weeds and Dexter). BUT, they don't seem to have the budgets that HBO does. They're fine with simple real-world shows, but I don't think they could do something as big-budget as a superhero show would have to be and NOT have it looking cheap.

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A Batman TV series could be very fun to watch if done correctly. Who would you guys want involved with it? Do you think you'd want Dini or Timm to take a stab at live action?

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I would love a live action series. It would also be great to see villains we probably wont see in the movies.

Id love to see them do Mad Hatter, Clayface(just do him similar to the way he was on BoP), Croc and Ivy.

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it would be good i reckon, if its set after nolans three movies then it could branch Batman and the world out cos with the movie we dont see much of the mobs operations with a tv series we could see Batman fighting drug runs, gun runs, human trafficking that sort of thing.

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I'd really love to see a truly well done Batman live action TV series. One that balances Bruce and Batman out, and one which is based heavily off of the Nolan-verse. Hell, maybe Nolan could be the Executive Producer. Or some of the producers of the current films. Goyer. Those types. Keep it in that creative family.

Obviously, they would need to do a total recast.

I'd find a veteran actor for Alfred and maybe Gordon. But the rest need to be less-well-knowns. Late 20s, early 30s age range. Gordon should be mid-40s. Alfred should be 50s, if not older. Ideally I'd find an actor who was 50s and looked older, could play 60s. They just have to make sure they do it in a serious vain; avoid the 'Smallville' mid-way between camp and serious, and avoid the camp of the 1960s.

I also would accept a new Joker in a series. I could never accept another Joker on film. Heath owned that roll on the big screen. In a show, though, I could accept it. Especially if they based him heavily upon Heath's Joker.

I would like to see the origins of the villains re-told in the show. Or told, as it where, for many of them. Having so many repeat villains would be a chore, I imagine, though. They would need to keep the entire Rogue's Gallery on contract. Which could get expensive as the years went on. Then again the regular cast would only be Bruce, Alfred, and Gordon with everyone else "guesting" as need be.

They should also make sure they spend at least a season or two, if not more, with Harvey Dent as DA, before he becomes Two-Face.

They would also be able to do some evolution stuff. Have the first bat suit be cloth, only for him to quickly find out he needs some protection. Have the first Batmobile be just a car, only to find out he needs something unique.

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Huh? Have you seen TDK? That all already happened. This shouldn't be a retread of what Nolan has already done, it should take place afterwards.

Also, as another idea, I've always wanted a Gotham Central show. Rumor has it they were gonna do that a while back, but did Birds of Prey instead. Awesome how that turned out. It'd be great to just have a Law and Order-esque show about the Gotham PD.

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