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Old 09-20-2008, 06:45 PM   #1
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Default Who else hated Batman's portrayal in JUSTICE LEAGUE (Timm)?

He is such a self-righteous jerk in that series. If he had behaved the same way in BTAS I would've never become a fan of him. In his own series he was much more likable. But in JL? An ***hole.

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Old 09-21-2008, 01:13 AM   #2
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well can you blame him? he's only human yet he's more valuable to the league than half it's members. besides in the comics he was ALOT worse

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Old 09-29-2008, 11:13 AM   #3
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well can you blame him? he's only human yet he's more valuable to the league than half it's members. besides in the comics he was ALOT worse
Not to mention he's did it deliberately so that the rest of the league don't become complacent about him.

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Old 09-21-2008, 03:32 AM   #4
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I agree Saturn, but I still think Superman was more of an ***hole that Batman, and that's saying something.

The fight he had with Captain Marvel and Captain Atom to an extent was unnecessary. In the episode "Clash" he was desperate to "expose" Luthor thus completely ignoring Batman's advice. Of course there was also the episode when Superman wanted revenge on Cadmus without thinking about how the public would perceive the League, his line to Green Arrow "Do I look like Batman to you?" reeked of douchebag. Superman's tone in JLU was a lot different than his STAS counterpart.

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Old 09-21-2008, 06:09 AM   #5
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I think it is only natural that Batman would become more apprehensive as he enters the league. I don't really think the character approved of the whole Unlimited angle of the league and was constantly tested during the Cadmus arc.

Any specific areas were you think he was a self-righteous a88hole?

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i like it, Batmans on a whole other level compared to the rest of em'.

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Old 09-21-2008, 07:56 AM   #7
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I agree Saturn, but I still think Superman was more of an ***hole that Batman, and that's saying something.

The fight he had with Captain Marvel and Captain Atom to an extent was unnecessary. In the episode "Clash" he was desperate to "expose" Luthor thus completely ignoring Batman's advice. Of course there was also the episode when Superman wanted revenge on Cadmus without thinking about how the public would perceive the League, his line to Green Arrow "Do I look like Batman to you?" reeked of douchebag. Superman's tone in JLU was a lot different than his STAS counterpart.
I have to agree. The "Clash" episode is so fake. Captain Marvel, okay, he is a kid, and Superman fell for something THAT obvious? Superman (in the whole series) seems like he has to prove something all the time.

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I wasn't a big fan of JL/JLU in general. Something about it just seemed off to me, and the way both Batman and Superman were portrayed at times just seemed off. Having said that, the main reason I watched was for Green Lantern and Flash and I quite liked the way Stewart and West were shown.

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Old 09-21-2008, 08:06 AM   #9
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They required those story lines because hey ultimately wanted to show the justice league slowly and surely start acting very similar to the justice lords which was essentially the whole point of the cadmus arc.

Evolution of untrusting heroes where the ends justified the means no matter what was at cost.

As for bats, we all know he has never been much of a team player and he eventually leaves the team for one reason or another, even in retirement he kept the last remanining piece of kryptonite on planet earth because he ultimately never trusted superman after the darkseid incident in superman tas.

even in the secret society double parter you can see the strain it puts on superman to work together with other heroes, he's engulfed completely on representing the saviour of hte planet and he's able to see things others can't in luthor. His humanity and prejudice seeps out knowing fully well with all his powers, he can't really do anything to stop him.

I preferred these more complex and oposing personalities, it added something to cartoons that really hasn't been seen in western animation before, a real depth to characters and a solid story arc that had started out decades before with everything coming together perfectly.

the one thing you can't say about dcau is that it has plot holes, the whole universe is pretty damn solid.

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Old 09-21-2008, 08:26 AM   #10
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As for bats, we all know he has never been much of a team player [...]
Hundreds of team-up issues speak otherwise.

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Old 09-21-2008, 03:07 PM   #11
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I completely agree with what November Rain said. Bats' attitude was natural and human, since the DCAU crew knows what its doing.

In the comics, sadly, it's a different story.

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I completely agree with what November Rain said. Bats' attitude was natural and human, since the DCAU crew knows what its doing.

In the comics, sadly, it's a different story.
But he is a FICTIONAL character so there is nothing "natural" about his behaviour. Just how the writers want him!

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Old 09-26-2008, 08:25 AM   #13
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Batman's wariness of his JLU colleagues was adapted from the modern day incarnation's relationship with other heroes in the comics.

Given the storylines (Justice Lords, Cadmus etc) is it any surprise that the DCAU Batman would be even more controlling and judgemental of his team's actions? Superman's anger at Cadmus's actions if unchallenged could have made them look like criminals.

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Old 09-21-2008, 04:32 PM   #14
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It was ok, but I was never really a fan of the Timm version of The Justice League anyways, I didnt watch it much at all to be honest.

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Old 09-28-2008, 12:06 AM   #15
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As much of an ass he may have been, he wasnt nearly as much of a douche that Superman was...
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as much of an ass he may have been, he wasnt nearly as much of a douche that superman was...
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Old 10-01-2008, 10:00 PM   #18
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i liked batman in JLU. he's a jerk because he can be. he thinks he's smarter tahn everyone else because he is. he's conceited because he can be.

hahaha. besides,...this batman's been through a lot of crap. didnt tim get owned by the joker by that point? but then again tim appeared in one of the JL episodes at the superman funeral. continuity is strange in timmverse.

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i liked batman in JLU. he's a jerk because he can be. he thinks he's smarter tahn everyone else because he is. he's conceited because he can be.

hahaha. besides,...this batman's been through a lot of crap. didnt tim get owned by the joker by that point? but then again tim appeared in one of the JL episodes at the superman funeral. continuity is strange in timmverse.
It's also deliberate on his part.

Partly because he's a driven individual. Partly because he knows that it's the one way he can keep their respect.

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i liked batman in JLU. he's a jerk because he can be. he thinks he's smarter tahn everyone else because he is. he's conceited because he can be.

hahaha. besides,...this batman's been through a lot of crap. didnt tim get owned by the joker by that point? but then again tim appeared in one of the JL episodes at the superman funeral. continuity is strange in timmverse.
Events of Return of the Joker happened obviously after the JLU. Joker died in that flashback, but he appereared twice on the Justice League.

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Old 10-02-2008, 03:23 AM   #21
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I actually liked how Batman was even more of a jerk in JLU. It seemed to fit in with the DCAU depiction of him rather well. In my view, the DCAU Batman becomes more of a jerk with the passage of time. It seems he's more humane in the first season of the Animated Series, where we see the Grey Ghost episode and Batman interacting with kids more (The Underdwellers and I've Got Batman In My Basement.. I know, a lot of people like to pretend those episodes don't exist ). Appointment in Crime Alley is another good example of his more human side.

Then he seems to become more obsessed with the mission as time goes on, resulting in Dick leaving him (a decision heavily influenced by Batman beating a man in front of his family). Obviously, Batman becomes even worse in JL and JLU, ultimately resulting in the ultra douche that we see in Batman Beyond - a man who has grown so cold that he almost lets Terry be beaten to death for stealing his bat suit.

From "Old Wounds":
Robin: [You're] Batgirl!? I still can't believe it! How could you keep something like this from me?
Batgirl: You weren't exactly honest with me, either.
Robin: But you told him.
Batgirl: He knew.
Batman: It wasn't my place to tell you.
Robin: But it was your place to put her in danger!
Batgirl: It wasn't like that! I volunteered.
Robin: You think you did! You don't know him like I do. He manipulates, pulls strings. Anything to get what he wants.

There's a very similar speech about Batman from Terry in JLU: "Epilogue". This is from two of the people closest to him. Bottom line, Bats was a jerk long before and long after he joined the League.


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I actually liked how Batman was even more of a jerk in JLU. It seemed to fit in with the DCAU depiction of him rather well. In my view, the DCAU Batman becomes more of a jerk with the passage of time. It seems he's more humane in the first season of the Animated Series, where we see the Grey Ghost episode and Batman interacting with kids more (The Underdwellers and I've Got Batman In My Basement.. I know, a lot of people like to pretend those episodes don't exist ). Appointment in Crime Alley is another good example of his more human side.

Then he seems to become more obsessed with the mission as time goes on, resulting in Dick leaving him (a decision heavily influenced by Batman beating a man in front of his family). Obviously, Batman becomes even worse in JL and JLU, ultimately resulting in the ultra douche that we see in Batman Beyond - a man who has grown so cold that he almost lets Terry be beaten to death for stealing his bat suit.

That"s a pretty good evaluation of the character.

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i liked batman in JLU. he's a jerk because he can be. he thinks he's smarter tahn everyone else because he is. he's conceited because he can be.

hahaha. besides,...this batman's been through a lot of crap. didnt tim get owned by the joker by that point? but then again tim appeared in one of the JL episodes at the superman funeral. continuity is strange in timmverse.
The "Flashback" scene in Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker is after Justice League: Unlimited.

The Joker appears in Justice League: Unlimited, he dies in the flashback of Batman Beyond: Return of the Joker. The costumes from flashback to the other episodes are an error, but you can just assume after his time with the Justice League he changed back to the costume he wore during Batman: Gotham Knights.

As far as Batman being rude, cocky, arrogant, conceited, reckless and not a "nice" person...

Batman isn't a nice person. Batman is a bad guy. He's a villain, breaking the law for the betterment of society. That's who he is.

He has altruistic goals. He has hope. But it's a constant struggle for him, because there is a monster within him that's deep down that if he gives into -- he wouldn't be able to stop it. That's why he doesn't kill. Not because killing is wrong. (That's a factor, but not the main or only). He doesn't kill because he's the most skilled man in the world. If he killed, he knows he might give in to the hate and the demons in his soul and not be able to stop. He is always walking that slippery slope.

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He is such a self-righteous jerk in that series. If he had behaved the same way in BTAS I would've never become a fan of him. In his own series he was much more likable. But in JL? An ***hole.
I was actually thinking the other day of how much I liked Bruce Wayne better in the original BTAS... back when Wayne and Batman had different voices and back when Wayne was a nice guy, not a complete dip ****. I still LIKE the later Batman, I just think it's over the top at times.

There's a scene where Orion says he would never attend some honorary event for The Flash and Batman just looks at Orion without a word... and Orion, intimidated, agrees to go. To me, that's just WAY too over the top. Bruce Timm basically made Batman God-like with every bit of luck in his favor and dumbed down all the heroes around him. Flash is usually fast enough to take out one super villain but not two, Superman gets floored by car bombs or a rocket launcher, etc... but Batman is always on the ball and outdoing everybody.

I love Batman too much to care a lot, but it does get old.

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I was actually thinking the other day of how much I liked Bruce Wayne better in the original BTAS... back when Wayne and Batman had different voices and back when Wayne was a nice guy, not a complete dip ****. I still LIKE the later Batman, I just think it's over the top at times.

There's a scene where Orion says he would never attend some honorary event for The Flash and Batman just looks at Orion without a word... and Orion, intimidated, agrees to go. To me, that's just WAY too over the top. Bruce Timm basically made Batman God-like with every bit of luck in his favor and dumbed down all the heroes around him. Flash is usually fast enough to take out one super villain but not two, Superman gets floored by car bombs or a rocket launcher, etc... but Batman is always on the ball and outdoing everybody.

I love Batman too much to care a lot, but it does get old.
YES THANK YOU! That's exactly what I've been saying in multiple threads including this one. I miss that (BTAS) Bruce Wayne.

Come to think of it this is why I enjoy Rino Romano's Bruce Wayne. I wish his Batman had a more different voice than his Bruce and, I think I could have enjoyed his Bruce/Batman more if the episodes were just as engaging as BTAS.

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