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People who hate Batman. 8 4.55%
People who hate Heath Ledger. 5 2.84%
Purists. 10 5.68%
Burton fans. 20 11.36%
Kids. 4 2.27%
Eyecandy seekers. 1 0.57%
unsophisticatists. 2 1.14%
Hollywood elitists. 6 3.41%
People who think realism is boring. 13 7.39%
People who think it’s conservative. (Controversial) 4 2.27%
People who think all superhero movies should follow the same format. 19 10.80%
It makes people feel special. 40 22.73%
Other. 44 25.00%
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Old 03-15-2009, 09:10 AM   #1
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Des pite it's succsess TDK is not invunurable to critisizm.

Where does most of it's negative feedback come from?

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This poll is loaded.
I can only assume that TDK should have no critisim's at all, when in fact it was pretty cool, damn cool, for as far as that goes.

If I had one i'd be the most glaring...the overzelous fans who not there fault, most who arn't old enough to adequately put this one piece of work in the larger scope of an entire lineage of a fictional character.

the other pertaining to the actual film. And this option isn't availible...I don't know if I think the Joker should actually relish so much or is so concious of his ying and yang w/ Batman, as his sole reason for being out there. I guess, plus there wasn't too much day to day Joker action w/ either his crew or how he ends up w/ a small nations worth of dynamite and amunition.

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Old 12-13-2010, 12:51 PM   #5
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Right on. I hate to admit that I am kinda jealous of you guys cuz ( well i am more spider man fan ) spider man got suck-y movies that even not match to spidey's comics at ALL. We havent got any " prefect spider man movie" yet.


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I think alot of it comes from the fans who put the movie on such a high pedestal, and compare every new comic book movie to it. That pisses alot of people off. Check out the TDK vs Watchmen thread in the Watchmen forum, for example.

Heath winning the Oscar also rubbed a few people the wrong way, even if he did deserve it, IMO.

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Two of my favorite comic book films right there. No way I can choose from that poll, lol.

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...where the criticism comes from?


Honestly... who cares?

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The Criticism I give it is as honest as I can be. I like the movie, but it isn't even put in my top 3 favorite Bat-movies.

-I hated the editing(scenes went by WAYYY to fast).

-I wasn't a fan of the lighting throughout the entire movie(way to bright for my liking).

-Didn't like Bales Bat-voice(never had a problem with it in BB).

-I thought the story had wayyyy to many things going on, and the movie should have been split up in 2 movies, or extended another 30-45 minutes.

-And while I thought the movie was good, I don't see it as perfect as some people put it, in fact, far from it.

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Old 03-15-2009, 01:49 PM   #10
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Truth be told, I believe most of the criticism comes from the fact that the hype surrounding the movie was blown out of proportion.

Seriously. The one thing that is universally claimed by naysayers is that the film is overrated, which it very well may be. Only time will tell to see who is right.

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Truth be told, I believe most of the criticism comes from the fact that the hype surrounding the movie was too extreme.

Seriously. The one thing that is universally claimed by naysayers is that the film is overrated, which it very well may be. Only time will tell to see who is right.
It is a bit overated, not as good a BB.

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Old 03-15-2009, 06:07 PM   #12
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Most of the criticism comes from people whose lives amount to nothing who are miserable failures who want to diss something that is very successful to feel better about themselves.

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I've fallen out of being a fan of TDK for a few reasons.

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Most of the criticism comes from people whose lives amount to nothing who are miserable failures who want to diss something that is very successful to feel better about themselves.
Honestly, the success of the film doesn't matter to me. Sure, I have my doubts considering the reasons for such, but in the end it doesn't matter, as being successful doesn't change the movie itself.

2) It lacks the same feeling upon watching it again. The suspense doesn't stay with each viewing, and you miss the feeling you should have. It's like watching Psycho knowing what the deal is with Norman Bates, it's not as good as it would be if you hadn't seen it already.

3) It takes itself way too seriously, ironic for a film showcasing the Joker.

4) The look of Ledger's Joker bothers me. This is a VERY recent thing (stemming from the last time I watched it), and I'm almost ashamed to admit it, as I'm usually not the comic purist type. It's not a major reason, or one that I'll defend, but it does bother me.

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The sloppiness of Chris Nolan's directing, some poor editing problems, gaps in logic, etc.

The movie is far from perfect.

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The sloppiness of Chris Nolan's directing, some poor editing problems, gaps in logic, etc.

The movie is far from perfect.
This.

This is like asking "where does criticism of Lawrence of Arabia come from?" It comes from the fact that no movie is perfect, and even the few that are still have detractors with very valid points to make. To flip this on it's head realize that there are people who think the best movie ever is Batman and Robin or Catwoman. You will always only please some of the people some of the time. Especially when dealing with adaptations. Batman has too many fans with too many expectations of what the character should be like to ever make a movie that is invunerable to criticism.

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The sloppiness of Chris Nolan's directing, some poor editing problems, gaps in logic, etc.

The movie is far from perfect.
I thought his directing was fine. The others I agree. The logic gaps really took me out of the story

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It got too trendy too quick. This thread is an example of that. It got an extreme amount of hype, and it lived up to it for the most part. Ledger's death added A LOT to the film's popularity and people's view of the Joker character. Everybody loved this film July 18th, but now everyone's going against it for, I don't know, to be unique and cool I guess.

Apparently Nolan's a "sloppy" director and made bad editing choices all of a sudden. I think TDK is a Batman fan's wet dream. I think it's a great film for a non-batfan. I think it's a great movie on it's own.

Soon "hating" TDK will get old and in a year or 2 from now it'll be "cool" again. I think Nolan was ****ed no matter what he did. Whether he made a terrible film or an amazing film he's ****ed. Just like Snyder and Watchmen.

TDK proves you can't please the fans. Ever. With anything. The fans are like preteen girls constantly menstruating. One day they'll like it and *Boom* the next week they don't. **** you guys. I love it.

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It got too trendy too quick. This thread is an example of that. It got an extreme amount of hype, and it lived up to it for the most part. Ledger's death added A LOT to the film's popularity and people's view of the Joker character. Everybody loved this film July 18th, but now everyone's going against it for, I don't know, to be unique and cool I guess.

Apparently Nolan's a "sloppy" director and made bad editing choices all of a sudden. I think TDK is a Batman fan's wet dream. I think it's a great film for a non-batfan. I think it's a great movie on it's own.

Soon "hating" TDK will get old and in a year or 2 from now it'll be "cool" again. I think Nolan was ****ed no matter what he did. Whether he made a terrible film or an amazing film he's ****ed. Just like Snyder and Watchmen.

TDK proves you can't please the fans. Ever. With anything. The fans are like preteen girls constantly menstruating. One day they'll like it and *Boom* the next week they don't. **** you guys. I love it.
It's not "all of the sudden". Critics like Jim Emerson have been making those points since the film came out. Just deal with the fact that the film has flaws, especially as far as editing and staging are concerned.

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It got too trendy too quick. This thread is an example of that. It got an extreme amount of hype, and it lived up to it for the most part. Ledger's death added A LOT to the film's popularity and people's view of the Joker character. Everybody loved this film July 18th, but now everyone's going against it for, I don't know, to be unique and cool I guess.

Apparently Nolan's a "sloppy" director and made bad editing choices all of a sudden. I think TDK is a Batman fan's wet dream. I think it's a great film for a non-batfan. I think it's a great movie on it's own.

Soon "hating" TDK will get old and in a year or 2 from now it'll be "cool" again. I think Nolan was ****ed no matter what he did. Whether he made a terrible film or an amazing film he's ****ed. Just like Snyder and Watchmen.

TDK proves you can't please the fans. Ever. With anything. The fans are like preteen girls constantly menstruating. One day they'll like it and *Boom* the next week they don't. **** you guys. I love it.

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It got too trendy too quick. This thread is an example of that. It got an extreme amount of hype, and it lived up to it for the most part. Ledger's death added A LOT to the film's popularity and people's view of the Joker character. Everybody loved this film July 18th, but now everyone's going against it for, I don't know, to be unique and cool I guess.

Apparently Nolan's a "sloppy" director and made bad editing choices all of a sudden. I think TDK is a Batman fan's wet dream. I think it's a great film for a non-batfan. I think it's a great movie on it's own.

Soon "hating" TDK will get old and in a year or 2 from now it'll be "cool" again. I think Nolan was ****ed no matter what he did. Whether he made a terrible film or an amazing film he's ****ed. Just like Snyder and Watchmen.

TDK proves you can't please the fans. Ever. With anything. The fans are like preteen girls constantly menstruating. One day they'll like it and *Boom* the next week they don't. **** you guys. I love it.

Haha don't worry dude. The only people I ever see bashing it are the internet fanboys who whine about everything. Outside in the real world, everyone I know still completely loves the movie, and every time I wear my Heath Joker shirts, I get compliments all the time by friends and complete strangers alike still to this day. Hell, part of the reason I get hit on by girls is because they got the hots for the Joker hahaha

So if you don't give a crap about what a bunch of PMSing internet smarks think, then you have nothing to worry about. Christopher Nolan is my overall favorite director, and I still consider TDK to be the best movie ever made, bar none. I've watched it like a million times now, and it's still completely fresh and exciting to me every time. I love it!!

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The movie has been out for less then a year. It was adored and now gets bashed quite often in places like this. Pretty sudden. And of course it has flaws.When you really analyze Joker's plan it's outrageously intricate.There's no way anyone could pull that off. Personally I had no problem with the editing and staging. And I could care less what critics have to say. I don't even know who Jim Emerson is. And I could "deal with that fact that the film has flaws". Duh. The people who pick out the flaws are the ones who can't deal with it. That's why their picking out the flaws in the first place. It's just a movie. I swear the "Why So Serious?" tagline couldn't have rang any truer.

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The movie has been out for less then a year. It was adored and now gets bashed quite often in places like this. Pretty sudden. And of course it has flaws.When you really analyze Joker's plan it's outrageously intricate.There's no way anyone could pull that off. Personally I had no problem with the editing and staging. And I could care less what critics have to say. I don't even know who Jim Emerson is. And I could "deal with that fact that the film has flaws". Duh. The people who pick out the flaws are the ones who can't deal with it. That's why their picking out the flaws in the first place. It's just a movie. I swear the "Why So Serious?" tagline couldn't have rang any truer.
A lot of people who chose to point out the films flaws were those who wished to cut through the hype and engage in serious criticism. Because it's their job. When you've got TDK fanboys proclaiming it to be the greatest movie ever made, I think some people ought to speak up and set them straight. And I love TDK, I just accept its flaws and dont allow them to deter my enjoyment of the film.

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A lot of people who chose to point out the films flaws were those who wished to cut through the hype and engage in serious criticism. Because it's their job. When you've got TDK fanboys proclaiming it to be the greatest movie ever made, I think some people ought to speak up and set them straight. And I love TDK, I just accept its flaws and dont allow them to deter my enjoyment of the film.
I definetly get what your saying. And I agree. The fanboy proclamation of TDK as the 2nd coming was a bit annoying. Maybe it didn't bug me as much because I don't frequent the message boards (the only place where I seem to encounter fanboys) but knocking some reality into them is only human haha. And I also feel the same way with your last sentence.

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The movie has been out for less then a year. It was adored and now gets bashed quite often in places like this. Pretty sudden. And of course it has flaws.When you really analyze Joker's plan it's outrageously intricate.There's no way anyone could pull that off. Personally I had no problem with the editing and staging. And I could care less what critics have to say. I don't even know who Jim Emerson is. And I could "deal with that fact that the film has flaws". Duh. The people who pick out the flaws are the ones who can't deal with it. That's why their picking out the flaws in the first place. It's just a movie. I swear the "Why So Serious?" tagline couldn't have rang any truer.
You shouldn't be so blind to categorize everybody in one conscious whole. I was more then excited for the movie leading up to the opening day. Once I saw it, I've had the same issues that I talk about. Trust me, I wanted the movie to be amazing, I wanted it to do well, and it has, but to me, it was far from what I was expecting/wanting in a Batman movie. TDK is a good movie, but again, it just doesn't feel like a Batman movie to me. What it feels like to me, is a mix of The Bourne Identity, plus James Bond, wearing a helmet with ears. It deviated so far from the atmosphere that was established in Begins, that it doesn't even feel like TDK and BB are in the same universe.

Its like being extremely thirsty, and wanting a drink really bad. Your friend keeps telling you about a vending machine filled with Coke-Cola in it, and then you start to think about how good the Coke will be. Well, your friend was mistaken, and it happens to be a Pepsi machine. Of course you're going to go ahead and buy the Pepsi cause you're so thirsty, but your heart was set on a Coke. The Pepsi is still good, but its just not what you were hoping for. Its not like its the end of the world, but at the end of the day, you would have preferred a Coke. Ya dig?


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The real answer’s realists. It’s not perfect. I love the film, but there’s room for improvement. It's not flawless.

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