Connecting Wolverine and the X-Men Trilogy (SPOILERS!!!)

[Road Warrior]

Obviously, some things don't make sense.

The first being Sabertooth. They're written completely different here and in X1. It's almost as if they're two different characters. Not to mention that he never acknowledges that he's Wolverine's brother.

Then, there's the whole Professor X showing up at the end thing. So...if he was there and (it seems) aware enough to guide these kids out of the building why couldn't he tell Wolverine about it in X1? It's kinda weird that he wasn't aware of Wolverine being there. Especially since I'm sure the kids must have mentioned it.

[BMM]

There are also two rather large holes in Wolverine head, and I assume two bullets in his brain? Either that, or four large holes in his head.

[Shadow-Guardian]

One thing doesn't make sense. Stryker shoots him with an adamantium bullet. Wolverine's skeleton is already adamantium. Why would a adamantium bullet even affect him?

[Nirvana]

One thing that kind of bothered me was how when Logan wakes up from the experiment he just kind of runs away. No bloody Wolverine, no killing anyone, no screaming in pain, no scientists passing around wine glasses or drilling into him. It was nothing like X1 or X2.

[Project862006]

wow how many times must this be said hell liev said it in the interviews the past couple of days. This is early life of sabertooth when we meet him in x1 he has become totally animalistic .In the wolverine film he has some humanity but by x1 it is all gone under the tutelage of magneto and the certain missions he does.

[sniktsnakt]

Yeah. I don't think I saw Wolverine even flinch in pain during the whole movie, which was ridiculous. Most pain ever my foot.

Emo pain. That was it.

[DJ Fate]

Posted this in another thread earlier, makes more sense here though.

I think this is one of the plot holes between the movies, I'm watching the first x-men and Jean grey says Wolverine doesn't remember his life before it happened referring to the experiment and he has flashbacks of the experiment and escaping in the first 2 movies. I think in the original movies it was implied that he loses his memory before the experiment but they had to change it for this movie so they could have the ending. If he could remember the experiment and escaping then why cant he remember anything else unless he's memory was wiped before the experiment. I mean why can he flashback to the experiment and the escape but cant remember anything else that happened for the second half of the wolverine movie?

[OoAnd1]

Originally Posted by DJ Fate

Posted this in another thread earlier, makes more sense here though.

I think this is one of the plot holes between the movies, I'm watching the first x-men and Jean grey says Wolverine doesn't remember his life before it happened referring to the experiment and he has flashbacks of the experiment and escaping in the first 2 movies. I think in the original movies it was implied that he loses his memory before the experiment but they had to change it for this movie so they could have the ending. If he could remember the experiment and escaping then why cant he remember anything else unless he's memory was wiped before the experiment. I mean why can he flashback to the experiment and the escape but cant remember anything else that happened for the second half of the wolverine movie?

Who says he doesn't? Should X1 and X2 showed every "memory snippet" Wolverine has as a flashback? We were only shown his flash of memory of him getting his metal skeleton cuz the movies were about him and Stryker.

Something obviously happened to Sabertooth during the 15 year gap between this movie and X1.

Why must EVERYTHING be explained during one movie? Leave some stuff for discussion.

[DJ Fate]

Originally Posted by OoAnd1

Who says he doesn't? Should X1 and X2 showed every "memory snippet" Wolverine has as a flashback? We were only shown his flash of memory of him getting his metal skeleton cuz the movies were about him and Stryker.

Something obviously happened to Sabertooth during the 15 year gap between this movie and X1.

Why must EVERYTHING be explained during one movie? Leave some stuff for discussion.

but if he loses his memory way after the experiment and as shown in wolverine, he shouldn't have any memories of anything before the end of wolverine. and if he does start getting his memories back before that, he should know who Sabretooth and Stryker are. In X-men 2 he knows Strykers name but thats all. But after the experiment he knows why he is hunting stryker in wolverine. If he has other flashbacks not shown in X1 and X2 he should know who stryker and sabretooth are.

[OoAnd1]

Originally Posted by DJ Fate

but if he loses his memory way after the experiment and as shown in wolverine, he shouldn't have any memories of anything before the end of wolverine. and if he does start getting his memories back before that, he should know who Sabretooth and Stryker are. In X-men 2 he knows Strykers name but thats all. But after the experiment he knows why he is hunting stryker in wolverine. If he has other flashbacks not shown in X1 and X2 he should know who stryker and sabretooth are.

I'm not an expert on memory. But people do have traumatic events.. people to get amnesia. They don't forget EVERYTHING.. and when they remember things.. they don't remember EVERYTHING. They don't even always remember things 100% accurate. Or they have false memories.

Like you said, he remembers bits of the procedure.. and he remembers a name. But he can't pull everything together or perfectly. That's it... that is what they call brain trauma. There's no right-way or wrong-way to have brain trauma.

[batboy99]

Ok, I had this idea. Remember that needle Stryker used on Deathstrike and Magneto to control them? What if Magneto had that serum and used it on Sabertooth in X1?

[Drz]

Originally Posted by batboy99

Ok, I had this idea. Remember that needle Stryker used on Deathstrike and Magneto to control them? What if Magneto had that serum and used it on Sabertooth in X1?

Wouldn't that somewhat go againts his morals? I mean sure he did kidnap Charles and tried to wipe humankind, but would he truly enslave mutants to his own cause? Has it been done in the comics?

[batboy99]

Originally Posted by Drz

Wouldn't that somewhat go againts his morals? I mean sure he did kidnap Charles and tried to wipe humankind, but would he truly enslave mutants to his own cause? Has it been done in the comics?

Well maybe Sabertooth was really violent and stuff and Magneto really needed him, so he did that as alast resort.

[Beanjuice]

Originally Posted by batboy99

Ok, I had this idea. Remember that needle Stryker used on Deathstrike and Magneto to control them? What if Magneto had that serum and used it on Sabertooth in X1?

seriously? Magneto is against anything that has to do with controlling mutants. Let alone something that has to do with stryker. The serum was made from the brain amtter of Strykers son

[DeathRaven]

Im alittle dissappointed that this film didnt connect in with the others as well as I thought it would, like how did they come across the name Logan for him? They spent all that time coming up with Wolverine but suddendly he's Logan?

Victor to Sabertooth you can atleast take a wild gander and believe he tottaly lost it after all those years and became nothing but an animal.

[dark_b]

defenrds will say that Scott in X1 knows already wolverine.
some will say that he couldnt see. Emma and otehr mutants obviously told Scott that a guy with claws saved them.

so since he knows that he saved them why didnt he say ''thank you. years ago you saved me'' ?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh because they had to force Scott in the mvoie.

[OoAnd1]

Originally Posted by dark_b

defenrds will say that Scott in X1 knows already wolverine.
some will say that he couldnt see. Emma and otehr mutants obviously told Scott that a guy with claws saved them.

so since he knows that he saved them why didnt he say ''thank you. years ago you saved me'' ?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh because they had to force Scott in the mvoie.

You're making too many false assumptions. Nothing that happened in X1 indicated that Cyclops knew of Wolverine... soo.. he didn't. It's that simple. Why didn't he? It could be a bunch of reasons... it was so quick they said "a guy with knives" cut the chains.. or maybe they were tortured so bad.. Prof had to give them a bit of amnesia so they could mentally recover from it. I don't know.. there are reasonable explanations.. unless you don't want to accept any.

Originally Posted by Heretic

Some explanations...

....Continuing the research from the lab, his tests killed Emma Frost and others, which is why they never ended up as X-Men. His evil continued when he lied to Wolverine about his knowledge of his origin.

Gambit minded his own business, and by the time X-Men United happened, he was older and too out of shape to fight effectively and stayed out of it...never to be seen again in X-Men continuity (great use of a popular character guys!!)

Deadpool pulled himself out of the wreckage and decided to get his face fixed and help Blade kill some vampires. He never revealed his true identity to anyone ever again, not did he seek out Sabretooth or Wolverine.

Blob had a heart attack shortly before X-1.

Stryker was not only pardoned, but promoted.

WHAT? Why did Emma die? Prof said in X1.. students graduate.. then either become educated civilians or X-Men. Not every graduate becomes an X-Men.. or even remains an X-Men. As Beast showed in X3.. he was once one.. "suit still fits", but quit before X1 .

And who said Gambit was out of shape 15 yrs later? X1-X3 started the continuity that he was never an X-Men. He was never shown before at all. This movie stays true to that continuity. Only here.. he does cross paths with Wolverine before X1. Then he's off living his own life doing whatever we imagined he might be doing when we watched the original trilogy.

Deadpool prolly had his memory wiped like Stryker wanted done on Wolverine.

Blob? I'm pretty sure Victor said Blob died. No heartattack.. murder.

Stryker still working for the government means he was found not guilty. Or maybe the fact that they found him walking in bloody feet in a trance worked to his defense that he was a victim as well. You don't get pardoned and promoted.

If we're having real discussions here.. I'm in.. but if I'm in the wrong place and we just want to find things to mock.. I'll leave.

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by dark_b

defenrds will say that Scott in X1 knows already wolverine.
some will say that he couldnt see. Emma and otehr mutants obviously told Scott that a guy with claws saved them.

so since he knows that he saved them why didnt he say ''thank you. years ago you saved me'' ?

ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh because they had to force Scott in the mvoie.

No, because it's not a for sure for certain fact that anyone would have told Scott that "some guy with claws" saved us.

They very well could have told him that some fellow mutants came and freed them.

You're just making it up in your head that they "obviously" told him so you can have something to complain about, no matter how inaccurate it may be.

[Catman]

If you saw a guy with claws wouldn't you mention it?

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Originally Posted by Catman

If you saw a guy with claws wouldn't you mention it?

In real life? Sure.

In a world filled with mutants, where I myself am a mutant with fantastic abilities, and I'm trapped for years amongst a whole slew of fellow mutants with many different types of unique mutations, many visual?

No, a guy with claws wouldn't particularly stand out. Mentioning "a guy with claws" would definitely not be a necessity.

[Catman]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

In real life? Sure.

In a world filled with mutants, where I myself am a mutant with fantastic abilities, and I'm trapped for years amongst a whole slew of fellow mutants with many different types of unique mutations, many visual?

No, a guy with claws wouldn't particularly stand out. Mentioning "a guy with claws" would definitely not be a necessity.

So, you'll just say, "yea...some dude there helped us out. No need to go look for him. I'm sure he's alright."

[BMM]

Originally Posted by Catman

If you saw a guy with claws wouldn't you mention it?

Yes, I think they would mention it. They may be mutants, but they aren't mindless voids for human beings. If you had been trapped in a cage for God knows how long, and one day, someone freed you, you're going to talk about it. What kind of people sit in closed quarters and don't discuss something like that???

Granted, I suppose in movie-world it's possible that Cyclops is somehow unable to make the connection that Wolverine is his liberator either through lack of information, forgetfullness, sheer stupidity, or Xavier's machinations, but I would think the former captives would talk about the mysterious man who freed them from the very cages they themselves were unable to escape.

I would especially think Emma Frost would say something, considering the concern Emma shows for her sister combined with the fact that Wolverine is the last person Frost sees with her sister before Kayla sacrifices herself and dies.

[Catman]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

These were young kids that have been held captive, that were just rescued, and you want THEM to go play hero?

What you're arguing doesn't even make sense anymore. You're just making it up as you go along now.

As they were flying away in the helicopter I'm sure they were looking down at what was going on. Don't you think one of them said, "um...maybe we should have someone check if that guy is still alive." Secondly, have you already forgotten about Silverfox? Don't you think Emma Frost would want to check what happened to her sister? Don't you think she would wonder what the heck happened to the guy she was with. Don't you think she would talk about that with everyone?

Originally Posted by BMM

Yes, I think they would mention it. They may be mutants, but they aren't mindless voids for human beings. If you had been trapped in a cage for God knows how long, and one day, someone freed you, you're going to talk about it. What kind of people sit in closed quarters and don't discuss something like that???

Granted, I suppose in movie-world it's possible that Cyclops is somehow unable to make the connection that Wolverine is his liberator either through lack of information, forgetfullness, sheer stupidity, or Xavier's machinations, but I would think the former captives would talk about the mysterious man who freed them from the very cages they themselves were unable to escape.

I would especially think Emma Frost would say something, considering the concern Emma shows for her sister combined with the fact that Wolverine is the last person Frost sees with her sister before Kayla sacrifices herself and dies.

[dark_b]

Originally Posted by Nell2ThaIzzay

No, because it's not a for sure for certain fact that anyone would have told Scott that "some guy with claws" saved us.

They very well could have told him that some fellow mutants came and freed them.

You're just making it up in your head that they "obviously" told him so you can have something to complain about, no matter how inaccurate it may be.

every young mutant but scott was able to see. everyone of them saw emma's sister and a guy with claws on hes hands. that is a fact not opinion.
and you will tell me now that ''maybe'' they didnt tell him?

its obvious that the next months you will defend this movie no matter what. good luck

[Heretic]

Some explanations...

Professor X found Jean Grey, and keeping with the fact that he was at least aware of the torture and kidnapping of young mutants, and at worst actually involved, he then suppressed her Phoenix personality. Continuing the research from the lab, his tests killed Emma Frost and others, which is why they never ended up as X-Men. His evil continued when he lied to Wolverine about his knowledge of his origin.

Gambit minded his own business, and by the time X-Men United happened, he was older and too out of shape to fight effectively and stayed out of it...never to be seen again in X-Men continuity (great use of a popular character guys!!)

Deadpool pulled himself out of the wreckage and decided to get his face fixed and help Blade kill some vampires. He never revealed his true identity to anyone ever again, not did he seek out Sabretooth or Wolverine.

Blob had a heart attack shortly before X-1.

Stryker was not only pardoned, but promoted.