No Cyclops; Reaction Thread

[Spider-Kid]

Shame how they replaced Cyclops with Havok, we could've seen a really good portrayal of him in the movie.

[psyonic]

Where is the I don't care option? Because I don't care .. there is a reason why they're not in FC.

[flavio_lebeau]

At first i was sad. But then I lol'd.

It makes no sense to have him in the 60s...so I guess they chose to tell the story from that point.

They would neverscrap the entire main script just so they could feature Cyclops. "No no no no, lets make it starting on the 80s, because we have to have Cyclops and Jean"

And even then, if they featured Cyclops' origin im sure people would complain it wasn't canon with XO Wolverine.

Basically, haters gon hate.

It's no wonder only Mystique and Beast from the trilogy are around. They're the only characters who seem plausible to be alive and in action during the 60s. Its not a vendetta against Cyke especifically.

Tbh I'm sadder about the lack of Storm. But that's life.

[Spider-Kid]

Originally Posted by flavio_lebeau

At first i was sad. But then I lol'd.

It makes no sense to have him in the 60s...so I guess they chose to tell the story from that point.

They would neverscrap the entire main script just so they could feature Cyclops. "No no no no, lets make it starting on the 80s, because we have to have Cyclops and Jean"

And even then, if they featured Cyclops' origin im sure people would complain it wasn't canon with XO Wolverine.

Basically, haters gon hate.

Yes, true.

[CyclopsSummers]

Originally Posted by flavio_lebeau

It makes no sense to have him in the 60s..

No sense to have Cyke Jean, also Beast and Havok in this 1st Class

Cyclops Jean will born in 70. Alex must be younger! Hank must be a kid in 60's, not a teenager!

So if we see Havok in X-men trilogy, we'll have an old man


Why not a 1st Class who focus on young x-team Scott Jean Hank Ororo
They decided to make a movie who tells about young Xavier and Erik. Producers are to weak. This movie will s****cks!

[SuperT]

I could care less for two reasons:

A) The movie is placed in the 60's so his character doesn't fit at all age wise.

B) Cyclops has always been my least favorite X-Men. Dull/boring, too boy scoutish, devoid of any interesting history/backstory or personality (my opinion). Too me, Cykes was always defined/characterized by the women he was with (Jean, Emma, Dazzler whoever) and never by anything on his own accord.

I would eventually like to see him in a sequel of course because he's the leader but of course I'm not upset he isn't in this movie. I think this was solely needs to focuse on Prof. X and Magneto's first endeavours and not bringing in too many major characters backstorys at this time.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by SuperT

I could care less for two reasons:

A) The movie is placed in the 60's so his character doesn't fit at all age wise.

yet havok, scott's YOUNGER BROTHER, does?

[SuperT]

Originally Posted by spider-neil

yet havok, scott's YOUNGER BROTHER, does?

There's never even been a mention of Cyclops even having a younger brother in the movie-verse so they can pretty much do whatever they want with the character. Making him older is so at the bottom of things to complain about, not mention we have no clue what they are doing with the character to begin with.

Most of the general movie going audience don't know nor care about the age change.

I can't get why people can't separate the comics and the movies as too seperate entities. The movies shouldn't be bound by the comics or the comics bound by the movies. As long as they keep sort of a general template or jumping off point - who cares.

If it's just going to be a complete adaptions of the comics panel by panel whats the point in making the movie to begin with?!

[TheFuture]

Re: Havok and Cyclops, I don't mind Havok being older. I mean, how did people feel in regards to Mystique and Nightcrawler in X2? Mystique is his mother in the comics after all no? I don't remember people going crazy of this.

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by TheFuture

Re: Havok and Cyclops, I don't mind Havok being older. I mean, how did people feel in regards to Mystique and Nightcrawler in X2? Mystique is his mother in the comics after all no? I don't remember people going crazy of this.

1) She could've been. The movies were pretty quiet on her past until the third installment, and in that film there was more legitimate criticisms to be made.

2) There was a lot of fan uproar. I mean many X-Men fans are displeased with the overall treatment of the franchise since day one. Lack of costumes, lack of respect the comics, lack of use of characters, and an overly narrow focus on Wolverine.

[huzzah]

Originally Posted by SuperT

There's never even been a mention of Cyclops even having a younger brother in the movie-verse so they can pretty much do whatever they want with the character. Making him older is so at the bottom of things to complain about, not mention we have no clue what they are doing with the character to begin with.

Most of the general movie going audience don't know nor care about the age change.

I can't get why people can't separate the comics and the movies as too seperate entities. The movies shouldn't be bound by the comics or the comics bound by the movies. As long as they keep sort of a general template or jumping off point - who cares.

If it's just going to be a complete adaptions of the comics panel by panel whats the point in making the movie to begin with?!

Then what is the purpose of having Havock in this movie? Why dont they just pick another random mutant that no one has ever heard of? We dont know Havock other than being Scott's younger brother. He's never been his dad, uncle, great grand-uncle, somebody totally unrelated...always brother. So being First Class why did the writers feel it necesssary to re-write a characters history?

[Optimus_Prime_]

Originally Posted by huzzah

Then what is the purpose of having Havock in this movie? Why dont they just pick another random mutant that no one has ever heard of? We dont know Havock other than being Scott's younger brother. He's never been his dad, uncle, great grand-uncle, somebody totally unrelated...always brother. So being First Class why did the writers feel it necesssary to re-write a characters history?

Exactly. Why bother using someone if their story doesn't fit within the movie? Wolverine did the same damn stupid thing. Just randomly put in a bunch of characters that didn't make sense in the plot and what we got was a mess.

[BMM]

Originally Posted by huzzah

Then what is the purpose of having Havock in this movie? Why dont they just pick another random mutant that no one has ever heard of? We dont know Havock other than being Scott's younger brother. He's never been his dad, uncle, great grand-uncle, somebody totally unrelated...always brother. So being First Class why did the writers feel it necesssary to re-write a characters history?

For the same reason every single film adaptation of a comic book has re-written a character's history.

[EvilClareToo]

Originally Posted by huzzah

Then what is the purpose of having Havock in this movie? Why dont they just pick another random mutant that no one has ever heard of? We dont know Havock other than being Scott's younger brother. He's never been his dad, uncle, great grand-uncle, somebody totally unrelated...always brother. So being First Class why did the writers feel it necesssary to re-write a characters history?

Amen

[Blackman]

I dont see how people who are disappointed that Cyke isnt in it are haters

[flavio_lebeau]

Originally Posted by Blackman

I dont see how people who are disappointed that Cyke isnt in it are haters

It wasn't meant to be taken excatly as written.

[huzzah]

Dont care as the filmverse setting is in the 60s

[Optimus_Prime_]

How the hell are they doing Havok without Scott Summers in the movie? That makes literally no sense whatsoever. Nevermind the fact that it's a huge plot point in both their storyarcs, nevermind the fact that this'll make Havok 20 years!?! Scott's senior. What is Havok gonna be? Scott's father? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

Let's see, what else can we b*tch about? How 'bout Xavier having hair. Must have been before Superboy created that horrible lab accident that left him bald. Oh wait? Wrong character? Xavier was ALWAYS bald you say...no, can't be. *Checks massive comic collection*. Oh wait, he's never had hair, in ANY appearance. Wow. Did the people at FOX even bother picking up a comic. Hey, I got a though, let's try to resemble the comics just a wee bit. You know, instead of patching together elements and names like some stupid X-Men version of a mad-lib.

I mean c'mon guys, if you had even typed the name "Azreal" into a google search you would've seen how much animosity people have to that character.

Wait, I get it, you're trying to f*** with us. This is like the PunkED version of the Avengers franchise Marvel is building. You put out a movie once every few years and see how NOT like the comics you can make it, then Ashton Kutcher is gonna show up and be like "CYKE!!!! Y'alls been PUNKeD! LOLZ".

[TheFuture]

I don't like the decision from the point of view that I was hoping for a reboot.

But within the continuity of X1-Wolverine, you really can't argue with the decision, it makes sense at the end of the day.

[FaT_tONle]

Originally Posted by Optimus_Prime_

How the hell are they doing Havok without Scott Summers in the movie? That makes literally no sense whatsoever. Nevermind the fact that it's a huge plot point in both their storyarcs, nevermind the fact that this'll make Havok 20 years!?! Scott's senior. What is Havok gonna be? Scott's father? Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised at this point.

What about this... Havok maybe playing a 16-17 year old... not impossible. Let's say he dies, so no worries about not being in the OT. The movie is set in 1965ish... or late 60's. Scott may be a baby. Maybe they will give them separate mothers. Any minor change is fair game. The time line can be set up accordingly. I just got to give credit to Fox for once in years for holding on to some of their chips and not blowing their load, unlike say Marvel, who is jamming pretty much every Avenger in cannon into the Avengers movie. So if the movie is a hit, no worries because then we are guaranteed a movie with the original team for sure, and the sequel will sell itself. If it flops, Disney will be waiting.

Originally Posted by JP

Why is that hard to believe?

Havok may have been included as a direct tie in to Scott. Maybe the reason Havok joins up with Xavier is because he was separated from his baby brother and Xavier promises him that he'll help locate and find him. That would actually also explain how Xavier randomly shows up at the end of XMO.

Yeah probably... I am thinking as a favor to Havoc, that will lead to the recruitment of Scott. Shouldn't happen for many years, but that shows Wolverine isn't completely being tossed. They are aware of when Wolverine took place and roughly how old Scott was.

[JP]

This makes no sense.

No one complains about Jean Grey. No one complains about Iceman. No one complains about Angel.
Yet Cyclops is apparently the only one done an injustice.

Why is no one complaining about Jean? Because Jean had an entire trilogy based around her.

Why isn't anyone complaining about Angel and Iceman? Because continuity shows that they just can't appear in this film. That's acceptable.

Ok, but why is the fact that Cyclops is too young to appear in this film unacceptable? Why is Cyclops the only original five member somehow being given an injustice?

The fact that some people either want Cyclops rapidly aged just to show up in the 60's, or have the story sacrificed just to move it to the 80's all for the one sole purpose of including Cyclops is so preposterous.

[SuperT]

How do you know his story doesn't fit into the movie? Have you guys already read the script?

The bottom line is this - no one here has any clue what the storyline is or what's happening in this movie other then the vague descriptions we've been given by Vaugh, Singer, and other people on production.

We have absolutely no clue what characters actually are appearing in the movie and what characters aren't, how each character is being written or portrayed, or how their being woven into the already existing universe.

So all this talk about "So and so not being in it makes no sense" or "This guy can't be it because this and this happened in the comics" - especially moreso about characters that have never even been introduced in the movies in the first place, is rubbish.

Maybe I'm different from people here and just don't make assumptions based just on face value. But hey, this is a comic book movie that what would it be without people disecting every little, minute detail or complaning about something.

[TheShah]

I think it has a lot to do with the gratuitious cameo by Cyclop in the WOLVERINE film.

Made sense to take out a character that's been overly used in 4 movies, with no real developement or priority in any.

[MoPlaYa]

I understand why Cyclops,Storm and Jean arent in this movie with it taking place in the 60`s but i dont like them having Havok in this movie since he is suppose to be Scott`s younger brother and now they wont even be bothers ... I think they could have picked another mutant instead of Havok.

[flavio_lebeau]

Originally Posted by MoPlaYa43

I understand why Cyclops,Storm and Jean arent in this movie with it taking place in the 60`s but i dont like them having Havok in this movie since he is suppose to be Scott`s younger brother and now they wont even be bothers ... I think they could have picked another mutant instead of Havok.

maybe I'm easily pleased, but I like his power and I love how it could be used in a movie.

The fact he will probably not be Scott's brother has absolutely no relevance to me. Family ties really aren't that important in a movie that favors action and plot, guys.

It's not a soap opera. Them being brothers wouldn't change anything in a movie where they're trying to save the world. Just like Nightcrawler not being Mystique's son didn't ruin X2. It didn't matter, at all. They were both still amazing characters in that movie.