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Old 02-04-2011, 07:41 AM   #1
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Things I DON'T want:
An origin story. We don't need to see Krypton explode ever again.
ANY references whatsoever to the Donner films. NO Brando voice-overs, no Williams score, no 70's atmosphere, nothing.
Ditto on Returns. Let's forget we ever saw that kid or watched Supes go to the ER after lifting 800 million tons of kryptonite into space.
Kryptonite. We've seen it thousands of times. We know what it is, what it does. Let's find something else that can pose a threat to Supes, shall we?
A nerdy Clark Kent. There are other ways to distance him from Superman.
Things I do want:
Lex Luthor. But the way we've known him over the last 30 years. As a corrupt, conniving CEO. A behind-the-scenes manipulator. Not the laughable parody of a supervillain we've seen in previous films.
Lois knowing full well that Clark is Superman. And let them already be in a relationship. Why go backwards?
A real show of Superman's varying powers. But don't make up powers for the sake of a scene. Ugh.
A faithful, brightly colored costume. Let's not repeat that mistake. And for God's sake no leather or rubber.

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How do you know it won't be an origin without going too much into the Krypton stuff?

My personal wishlist is just that its a compelling, exciting, roller coaster ride that is somewhat faithful to the Superman mythos. If it has the origin incorporated and its integral to the story then I'm all for it. End of the day I want the best Superman film they can make.

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A capable lead actor first and foremost this time. Which we're likely getting. Chemistry, chemistry, CHEMISTRY!

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How do you know it won't be an origin without going too much into the Krypton stuff?
I never said I did. And your phrasing is confusing. One begets the other.

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I never said I did. And your phrasing is confusing. One begets the other.
Yeah it doesnt make sense just read it back ha ha

What I meant was they might not use the Krypton stuff anyway they didnt in Birthright (at least not alot of it at the start) and its supposed to be based on Birthright if rumours are to be believed.

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I pretty much agree with your list.

To add to Lois knowing - don't make the relationship like it is on Smallville.

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I wouldn't mind a origin story...just not a long, drawn out story. It's a REBOOT...you can't jump right in to Lois and Superman having a relationship. Kids who have never seen a Superman Movie would be missing out. Especially on a new retelling of his origin unlike the one told in the original. So I honestly don't agree with one thing in your wish list Chris, sorry man it's just not a very good list

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I wouldn't mind a origin story...just not a long, drawn out story. It's a REBOOT...you can't jump right in to Lois and Superman having a relationship. Kids who have never seen a Superman Movie would be missing out. Especially on a new retelling of his origin unlike the one told in the original. So I honestly don't agree with one thing in your wish list Chris, sorry man it's just not a very good list
Who hasn't seen a Superman movie? They've been around for decades. Pick up a DVD or turn to AMC on just about any given weekend, it's there. Add to this you got Smallville, the animated series, Superboy, Lois & Clark-the gaps have been filled in. We all know what happened. His planet blew up, his father sent him here bc he knew the planet was going to blow up and nobody believed him, he was found by farmers and grew up to be a superhero. What's the big mystery? It's been told millions of times. His is probably the most widely known origin of any superhero ever and I defy you to find anybody who doesn't know it. I can see how someone could have gotten from 1969-1989 without knowing how & why Bruce Wayne became Batman. And I can see how the average non-comic reader would have no clue how Peter Parker became Spider-Man prior to 2002. But nobody and I mean nobody is clueless on how Superman came to be. And we sure as hell don't need to relive it now. I guess I'm mainly trying to say I don't want a remake of the 1978 movie. A quick little recap is fine but even that is truly unnecessary. As for the established relationship with Lois-if you only know movies & TV then you've quite possibly been waiting to see them hook up since forever. Why drag it out with all the cliche's we've seen 1,000 times in other movies as well as in Superman flicks? Which brings me to another point-you don't agree with ANYTHING I said? So you want dated references to a 30-year-old movie? You want the kid to come back? YOu want this mighty superhero's nemesis to be a ROCK?

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Who hasn't seen a Superman movie? They've been around for decades. Pick up a DVD or turn to AMC on just about any given weekend, it's there. Add to this you got Smallville, the animated series, Superboy, Lois & Clark-the gaps have been filled in. We all know what happened. His planet blew up, his father sent him here bc he knew the planet was going to blow up and nobody believed him, he was found by farmers and grew up to be a superhero. What's the big mystery? It's been told millions of times. His is probably the most widely known origin of any superhero ever and I defy you to find anybody who doesn't know it. I can see how someone could have gotten from 1969-1989 without knowing how & why Bruce Wayne became Batman. And I can see how the average non-comic reader would have no clue how Peter Parker became Spider-Man prior to 2002. But nobody and I mean nobody is clueless on how Superman came to be. And we sure as hell don't need to relive it now. I guess I'm mainly trying to say I don't want a remake of the 1978 movie. A quick little recap is fine but even that is truly unnecessary. As for the established relationship with Lois-if you only know movies & TV then you've quite possibly been waiting to see them hook up since forever. Why drag it out with all the cliche's we've seen 1,000 times in other movies as well as in Superman flicks? Which brings me to another point-you don't agree with ANYTHING I said? So you want dated references to a 30-year-old movie? You want the kid to come back? YOu want this mighty superhero's nemesis to be a ROCK?
Ok, so in case you missed Snyder said this will be an ORIGINAL origin story...meaning something we haven't seen before. SO deal with it. And what's the big deal with Superman HAVING to be portrayed by an American? Have any of you realized that hardly any of the American iconic superheros are being played by Americans? Green Lantern, Batman, Spider-Man, Wolverine...none of those guys are being played by Americans and yet you have a fit when Superman isn't played by one. He's not even American himself...he's a WORLD icon. And if you want an established Lois and Superman relationship, take your own advice and go watch Lois and Clark. I for one am looking forward to a origin story that hasn't been seen, or possibly even told in the comics.

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Yeah you have to build up Superman and Lois' relationship.

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An origin story. We don't need to see Krypton explode ever again.
Disagree - slightly. I don't want to see a huge amount of screen time on origin, but we have to accept that there will likely be a new generation of viewers (younger ones) coming to this who may not be as familiar with the earlier films or Superman's origins as we are here on this fan forum. A short exposition won't hurt.

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ANY references whatsoever to the Donner films.
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NO Brando voice-overs, no Williams score, no 70's atmosphere, nothing.
Agree totally, this has to be a new film that stands on it's own two feet.

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Ditto on Returns.
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Let's forget we ever saw that kid or watched Supes go to the ER after lifting 800 million tons of kryptonite into space.
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Kryptonite. We've seen it thousands of times. We know what it is, what it does. Let's find something else that can pose a threat to Supes, shall we?
I agree in principle, I'm sick of Kryptonite also. However we must remember that in the absence of a suitable villain, there's really nothing else on Earth which can pose any kind of threat to Superman bar Kryptonite. And there's a danger that having a main hero who can't be hurt removes any kind of tension from the film. The only way round that is to have a very complex bad guy who threatens to hurt those people around Superman (Lois, the Kents, etc) to get at him.

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A nerdy Clark Kent.
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There are other ways to distance him from Superman.
Agreed. S:TALC and Smallville have shown that 'normal' Clark works just fine, he doesn't need to be a bumbling nerd.

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Lex Luthor. But the way we've known him over the last 30 years. As a corrupt, conniving CEO. A behind-the-scenes manipulator. Not the laughable parody of a supervillain we've seen in previous films.
Agree, it's time we saw LuthorCorp Lex.

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And let them already be in a relationship. Why go backwards?
Personally I prefer the fun they can have with her not knowing.

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A real show of Superman's varying powers.
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But don't make up powers for the sake of a scene. Ugh.
YES! Let's see him doing more than just lifting .............. really heavy things. I'd like to see Superman throw a punch at someone.

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Let's not repeat that mistake. And for God's sake no leather or rubber.
I have faith that Snyder will deliver in the costumer department, he's done so in his other movies.

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I wanna see Superman uppercut the crap outta bad guy to where he soars up into the sky, Superman flies up after him and slams him into the ground...awesomeness

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Things I DON'T want:
An origin story. We don't need to see Krypton explode ever again.
ANY references whatsoever to the Donner films. NO Brando voice-overs, no Williams score, no 70's atmosphere, nothing.
Ditto on Returns. Let's forget we ever saw that kid or watched Supes go to the ER after lifting 800 million tons of kryptonite into space.
Kryptonite. We've seen it thousands of times. We know what it is, what it does. Let's find something else that can pose a threat to Supes, shall we?
A nerdy Clark Kent. There are other ways to distance him from Superman.
Things I do want:
Lex Luthor. But the way we've known him over the last 30 years. As a corrupt, conniving CEO. A behind-the-scenes manipulator. Not the laughable parody of a supervillain we've seen in previous films.
Lois knowing full well that Clark is Superman. And let them already be in a relationship. Why go backwards?
A real show of Superman's varying powers. But don't make up powers for the sake of a scene. Ugh.
A faithful, brightly colored costume. Let's not repeat that mistake. And for God's sake no leather or rubber.
no to Ditto on Returns.
no to Kryptonite

i don't know if there is a misunderstand or not.
They seem to think the audience have seen enough of superman action, in glory and bored of it.
they thought we wanna see superman get depressed, troubled, get his ass kicked, especially in SR. the whole movie is building up the superman's ass kicking scene! WTH!

we don't! we don't and we don't!!! in fact, we haven't seen much great superman action at all!!!

so in short, i just wanna see a kickass superman movie!!!

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i want to see Superman become angry, lose control and just unload on someone/something.

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My wants:
A top notch cast.
A confident Clark.
A faithful suit, that even if updated, folks will say, ''thats superman baby''.
A Lex-corp Lex thats a real SOB...
Star labs.
Younger Kents
A good score.
A non Kryptonian villain, unless its Brainiac.
A superfight that puts spidey 2 and the matrix to shame.
city wide damage from the fight between supes and the villain, take it to the surrounding country side as well.
All his powers at maximum, especially heat vision.

Non-wants:
Camp. Humor yes, Camp no.
another bad suit.
superkids (duh)
Non Lex-corp Lex who likes real estate.
Zod.
Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit.
CG close ups of supes flying.
nerdy clark.
Clark struggling with a decision to be superman or not for the whole film.
Kryptonite used against superman.

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My wants:
A top notch cast.
A confident Clark.
A faithful suit, that even if updated, folks will say, ''thats superman baby''.
A Lex-corp Lex thats a real SOB...
Star labs.
Younger Kents
A good score.
A non Kryptonian villain, unless its Brainiac.
A superfight that puts spidey 2 and the matrix to shame.
city wide damage from the fight between supes and the villain, take it to the surrounding country side as well.
All his powers at maximum, especially heat vision.

Non-wants:
Camp. Humor yes, Camp no.
another bad suit.
superkids (duh)
Non Lex-corp Lex who likes real estate.
Zod.
Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit.
CG close ups of supes flying.
nerdy clark.
Clark struggling with a decision to be superman or not for the whole film.
Kryptonite used against superman.

I'm sold on just about everything but the nerdiness...I'm a nerd and there isn't anything wrong with it. Now I will say this: Clark in the city should be unsure and clumsy, like Reeve portrayed him, don't try to imitate him but that's how it should be...Clark on the farm should be a normal guy, not putting on a show because he is with his family. And Superman should well...be SUPERMAN!

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My wants:
A top notch cast.
A confident Clark.
A faithful suit, that even if updated, folks will say, ''thats superman baby''.
A Lex-corp Lex thats a real SOB...
Star labs.
Younger Kents
A good score.
A non Kryptonian villain, unless its Brainiac.
A superfight that puts spidey 2 and the matrix to shame.
city wide damage from the fight between supes and the villain, take it to the surrounding country side as well.
All his powers at maximum, especially heat vision.

Non-wants:
Camp. Humor yes, Camp no.
another bad suit.
superkids (duh)
Non Lex-corp Lex who likes real estate.
Zod.
Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit.
CG close ups of supes flying.
nerdy clark.
Clark struggling with a decision to be superman or not for the whole film.
Kryptonite used against superman.
The only ones I disagree on are the points in bold:

Zod: If he appears at all I'd like it in a flashback with Brainiac like in Superman Brainiac. I'm all for a minor Zod cameo if it works well with the story and also wouldn't hate him been in a sequel.

Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit: Again it depends on if its integral to the story. Batman Begins was brilliant and Batman doesn't show up until halfway through the film. But there are ways around it, he could be Superman from the start and there could be flashbacks. But we don't know until we see the film.

Kryptonite used against superman: If Mettallo were to be in the film we're gonna need it.

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The only ones I disagree on are the points in bold:

Zod: If he appears at all I'd like it in a flashback with Brainiac like in Superman Brainiac. I'm all for a minor Zod cameo if it works well with the story and also wouldn't hate him been in a sequel.

Waiting an hour before we see Clark in the suit: Again it depends on if its integral to the story. Batman Begins was brilliant and Batman doesn't show up until halfway through the film. But there are ways around it, he could be Superman from the start and there could be flashbacks. But we don't know until we see the film.

Kryptonite used against superman: If Mettallo were to be in the film we're gonna need it.
I would be ok with a cameo by Zod, I just don't want him as the main villain.

As for the suit, I suppose if done right it would be fine.

Cant agree on ''K'', i'm burnt out on it for this film thanks to SR lol.

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I would be ok with a cameo by Zod, I just don't want him as the main villain.

As for the suit, I suppose if done right it would be fine.

Cant agree on ''K'', i'm burnt out on it for this film thanks to SR lol.
Yeah I see your point about Green K all I meant was if Mettallo were to be in it we'd need it

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No action for the sake of action: I fear that this movie will end up being the opposite extreme of SR because everyone only ever says "more action".

No drawn-out-of-a-hat villains: The story should come first, and the choice of villains should be based on the story. The reason The Dark Knight had the Joker and Two-Face? They suited the themes of the movie. I don't want an entire series of Lex vs. Superman anymore than the rest of you, but if the story calls for him to appear, he should. It's not as if they could easily substitute Toyman for him.

In general, my don'ts are to not make a movie entirely based on making the opposite of what Superman Returns was. Ironically, one bad Superman movie could result in another bad Superman movie in the filmmakers' attempt to get as far away from it as possible. Some of you have a point when you say "pretend the other movies don't exist". Quit thinking about them, trying to be their opposite, because it could end up ruining the new movie.

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Escalation: If this is the beginning, there's no reason for robots and aliens and super-beings to already be running around. After all, what would make Superman so special if Earth was already overrun with meta-humans and aliens when he first arrives? Superman should be the first, and indirectly the reason the rest of them come into existence. In some cases, this already applies in the comics. Bizarro is a clone of Superman, Metallo is powered by kryptonite, Parasite was mutated by a substance Superman collected (in his original origin at least).

This also raises the question of where Lex gets all his toys. Whether he's an inventor, scientist, businessman, or all three, it's still Earth-made tech. You have to admit, it just wouldn't be the same if Earth was already on the the technological level of Krypton when Superman first appears. Maybe Lex should reverse-engineer alien tech, be it Kryptonian or Coluan. If not, what inspires him to make a technological and scientific leap of a hundred or possibly a thousand years? I have an idea that he could also base his technology off Superman. A metal based on the molecular structure of Superman's body. An energy weapon based on Superman's heat vision. Anti-gravity tech based on Superman's flight.

Don't shy away from mundane Earth problems and disasters: I want to see what Superman would do if he were in our world, not just the amazing sci-fi fantasy world he inhabits in the comics. Superman facing a devastating natural disaster or foiling a destructive terrorist plot is not boring. He wasn't only created to fight costumed supervillains, but to solve real-world problems no single human could.

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No action for the sake of action: I fear that this movie will end up being the opposite extreme of SR because everyone only ever says "more action".

No drawn-out-of-a-hat villains: The story should come first, and the choice of villains should be based on the story. The reason The Dark Knight had the Joker and Two-Face? They suited the themes of the movie. I don't want an entire series of Lex vs. Superman anymore than the rest of you, but if the story calls for him to appear, he should. It's not as if they could easily substitute Toyman for him.

In general, my don'ts are to not make a movie entirely based on making the opposite of what Superman Returns was. Ironically, one bad Superman movie could result in another bad Superman movie in the filmmakers' attempt to get as far away from it as possible. Some of you have a point when you say "pretend the other movies don't exist". Quit thinking about them, trying to be their opposite, because it could end up ruining the new movie.

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Escalation: If this is the beginning, there's no reason for robots and aliens and super-beings to already be running around. After all, what would make Superman so special if Earth was already overrun with meta-humans and aliens when he first arrives? Superman should be the first, and indirectly the reason the rest of them come into existence. In some cases, this already applies in the comics. Bizarro is a clone of Superman, Metallo is powered by kryptonite, Parasite was mutated by a substance Superman collected (in his original origin at least).

This also raises the question of where Lex gets all his toys. Whether he's an inventor, scientist, businessman, or all three, it's still Earth-made tech. You have to admit, it just wouldn't be the same if Earth was already on the the technological level of Krypton when Superman first appears. Maybe Lex should reverse-engineer alien tech, be it Kryptonian or Coluan. If not, what inspires him to make a technological and scientific leap of a hundred or possibly a thousand years? I have an idea that he could also base his technology off Superman. A metal based on the molecular structure of Superman's body. An energy weapon based on Superman's heat vision. Anti-gravity tech based on Superman's flight.

Don't shy away from mundane Earth problems and disasters: I want to see what Superman would do if he were in our world, not just the amazing sci-fi fantasy world he inhabits in the comics. Superman facing a devastating natural disaster or foiling a destructive terrorist plot is not boring. He wasn't only created to fight costumed supervillains, but to solve real-world problems no single human could.
What do you know? A rational, intelligent post! Especially the first and last paragraphs! You're 100% right, Lead Cenobite. Let's hope Snyder doesn't just go for a "backlash" effect, but a true fresh start.

I know some people liked The Incredible Hulk, but I thought it was pure action-packed boredom. Yeah, there were epic fights, but I didn't care about a single punch being thrown let alone an entire character, so I was bored out of my mind and walked out of the theater.

A Superman movie can be so much more than that!

P.S. Yes! "Earth problems" are not boring, they can be epic and captivating, too. Bryan Singer just left a bad taste in all our mouths because he didn't even give us "Earth problems," he gave us "non-problems." Superman lifted an island into the air and... that's it. Bryan Singer couldn't make a fun movie if his life depended on it. Every one of his films is cloaked in drab seriousness (hey, sometimes that's appropriate (I loved Valkyrie), but not for Superman). Don't let Singer's disgrace blind you from the fact that an earthquake or a typhoon or a terrorist plot or genocide or corporate corruption can be riveting! No single human being can stop those problems, but a single Kryptonian can. Let's see him try.

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I personally wouldn't mind if brainiac wasn't a villan for the first film. Im hoping they go for Metallo , who was built by Lex Luthor , but at the same time Keep Metallo's origin a mystery , maybe we don't find out that Lex was responsible until the end of the movie , or we don't even see Lex at all until then end of the movie . Also , because of Clark's reporting skills. We find that Lexcorp had something to do with the terrorists in africa , nothing to major , maybe they supplied them weaponry , which they also did for Intergang , which is one the reason why Superman made his destination Metropolis.

Im thinking Synder and co. should save Brainiac for a sequel, and tell Kal-el about his origins , besides the basics of course, and even name the sequel the Last son of Krypton , since he's basically finding out more about his heritage, right guys ............. *Bites nails*

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I personally wouldn't mind if brainiac wasn't a villan for the first film. Im hoping they go for Metallo , who was built by Lex Luthor , but at the same time Keep Metallo's origin a mystery , maybe we don't find out that Lex was responsible until the end of the movie , or we don't even see Lex at all until then end of the movie . Also , because of Clark's reporting skills. We find that Lexcorp had something to do with the terrorists in africa , nothing to major , maybe they supplied them weaponry , which they also did for Intergang , which is one the reason why Superman made his destination Metropolis.

Im thinking Synder and co. should save Brainiac for a sequel, and tell Kal-el about his origins , besides the basics of course, and even name the sequel the Last son of Krypton , since he's basically finding out more about his heritage, right guys ............. *Bites nails*
Actually I wouldn't mind Metallo being in the first film with Lex in the shadows. With the terrorists in Africa plot John Corben could be among those terrorists eventually getting hurt as a result of Clark's possible actions. But I'm sure Snyder/Nolan/Goyer have something better for us come next year.

But agreed about the Kryptonite thing has been done to death!!!! But with Metallo being thought about at least there would be a practical use for it compared to *cough* that island!!! *cough*

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Actually I wouldn't mind Metallo being in the first film with Lex in the shadows. With the terrorists in Africa plot John Corben could be among those terrorists eventually getting hurt as a result of Clark's possible actions. But I'm sure Snyder/Nolan/Goyer have something better for us come next year.

But agreed about the Kryptonite thing has been done to death!!!! But with Metallo being thought about at least there would be a practical use for it compared to *cough* that island!!! *cough*
i can go with Metallo only if he is a secondary villain. he is just too 'small' for superman to fight with. he is just practically a robot only??? i don't wanna see superman having hard time even fighting a cybor.

and NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO TOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO KRYPTONITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

metallo can use atomic power / nuclear power / whatever source. BUT NO KYRPTONITEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! i have had enough of it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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