Superman Begins?

[Frontier]

I have nothing to base this off of other than gut instinct, but I'm beginning to get the distinct impressions we're going to be seeing "Superman Begins" -- a Superman variation on the film "Batman Begins" despite the early on talk we would not be re-hashing the well-hashed origin story.

I doubt the film will be a total re-telling of the origins; I doubt such very, very much. It's well-treaded ground. But I do imagine some non-linear flash-backs to Clark Kent the young man, as he first discovers his powers or some such.

I base this on two things: the forward Goyer recently wrote for the released graphic novel that shows such. Shows Clark Kent, late high school, discovering all of this. He's an alien with these immense powers. How isolating such would be, how frightening and stressful for him, it's something he doesn't initially want; a burden he must cope with at first before he realizes how much good he can do.

Combine that all with the casting of the Kents... and it just makes me think, while 80% of the story will be modern-time, Superman is there and established and has been for a while, I think 20% will be flash-back to teen Kent. Because they would cast at least 10-15 years older for the Kents otherwise; Costner is only 56, Diane Lane is 46.

When you think Ma and Pa Kent of Superman, you think of old timers in their 60s or beyond.

[The Batman]

honestly, ive accepted that this flick will probably be "superman begins", and will just follow current comic trends rather than break the mold like TDK or STM

really, this might just be the movie equivalent of bryne's MOS

[Stephen K. Hone]

Originally Posted by Frontier

I have nothing to base this off of other than gut instinct, but I'm beginning to get the distinct impressions we're going to be seeing "Superman Begins" -- a Superman variation on the film "Batman Begins" despite the early on talk we would not be re-hashing the well-hashed origin story.

I doubt the film will be a total re-telling of the origins; I doubt such very, very much. It's well-treaded ground. But I do imagine some non-linear flash-backs to Clark Kent the young man, as he first discovers his powers or some such.

I base this on two things: the forward Goyer recently wrote for the released graphic novel that shows such. Shows Clark Kent, late high school, discovering all of this. He's an alien with these immense powers. How isolating such would be, how frightening and stressful for him, it's something he doesn't initially want; a burden he must cope with at first before he realizes how much good he can do.

Combine that all with the casting of the Kents... and it just makes me think, while 80% of the story will be modern-time, Superman is there and established and has been for a while, I think 20% will be flash-back to teen Kent. Because they would cast at least 10-15 years older for the Kents otherwise; Costner is only 56, Diane Lane is 46.

When you think Ma and Pa Kent of Superman, you think of old timers in their 60s or beyond.

Snyder is doing something I really like. He is saying it is as though there have never been any Superman films. I like that. Yes I know the origin like the back of my hand but I want to see it all again. Don't gloss over it. If you are going to Begin or Start again then do it properly. Like Snyder said...full reverence for the design and canon of the comics but owing nothing to films that came before.

We knew Batman's basic origin from B89, but Nolan went into it in much more detail and fleshed everything out. A lot of Snyder's movie probably takes place after he leaves the Kent farm and Before he gets to Metropolis. Sort of like the 12 years in the F.O.S in S:TM but this time Clark goes walkabout! Oh and like you said lots of flashbacks a la Batman Begins.

[El Payaso]

Originally Posted by Frontier

I have nothing to base this off of other than gut instinct, but I'm beginning to get the distinct impressions we're going to be seeing "Superman Begins" -- a Superman variation on the film "Batman Begins" despite the early on talk we would not be re-hashing the well-hashed origin story.

I doubt the film will be a total re-telling of the origins; I doubt such very, very much. It's well-treaded ground. But I do imagine some non-linear flash-backs to Clark Kent the young man, as he first discovers his powers or some such.

I base this on two things: the forward Goyer recently wrote for the released graphic novel that shows such. Shows Clark Kent, late high school, discovering all of this. He's an alien with these immense powers. How isolating such would be, how frightening and stressful for him, it's something he doesn't initially want; a burden he must cope with at first before he realizes how much good he can do.

Combine that all with the casting of the Kents... and it just makes me think, while 80% of the story will be modern-time, Superman is there and established and has been for a while, I think 20% will be flash-back to teen Kent. Because they would cast at least 10-15 years older for the Kents otherwise; Costner is only 56, Diane Lane is 46.

When you think Ma and Pa Kent of Superman, you think of old timers in their 60s or beyond.

You have the impression? I thought it wa a fact.

Originally Posted by Stephen K. Hone

Snyder is doing something I really like. He is saying it is as though there have never been any Superman films.

Every director from a modern superhero movie or sci-fi movie has said the exact same thing: "We're doing something you've never seen before."

I'd be amazed if Snyder didn't say so.

[DIRECTOR]

whatever the story is, i'm realy happy Zach isn't going to involve the earlier films in any way

[Stephen K. Hone]

Originally Posted by DIRECTOR

whatever the story is, i'm realy happy Zach isn't going to involve the earlier films in any way

Other than the music BWAHAHAHAHAHA! J/K!

[SuperAl]

im hoping for a origin. The previous movie is a crappy telling of supermans origin and its 30 yrs old and it doesnt help that Smallville is the most recent media to depict his origin, i doubt zack and nolan want kids and new fans coming in thinking smallville is what superman is. You ask a common person what krypton looks like they'll prolly say it looks like the arctic. They probably don't know why the planet blew up either or who Jor-el was to krypton rather than just knowing that he was Superman's real father.

i think trying to start a movie where hes already Superman prolly makes it harder for people to care about the character considering they dont know why he chooses to become superman or the fact that he couldve been a millionaire cuz of his genius or dominated sports. not to mention if they use zod or brainiac it just gives more background to those characters depending on their roles in kryptons destruction

[BH/HHH]

I want Superman Begins and it seems like we may be getting that.

[ElDuderino]

Originally Posted by The Batman

honestly, ive accepted that this flick will probably be "superman begins", and will just follow current comic trends rather than break the mold like TDK or STM

really, this might just be the movie equivalent of bryne's MOS

TDK relied on Batman Begins' origin story. The second Snyder Superman movie can rely on the first just the same.

Originally Posted by BH/HHH

I want Superman Begins and it seems like we may be getting that.

Agreed. I've never understood the aversion to origin stories. If you're starting anew, how can you not tell the story?

[Zachhelms]

Originally Posted by ElDuderino

TDK relied on Batman Begins' origin story. The second Snyder Superman movie can rely on the first just the same.

Agreed. I've never understood the aversion to origin stories. If you're starting anew, how can you not tell the story?

I agree but most people really want to see Superman since we haven't had a decent Superman movie in over 20 years. They want to get straight to the action and the adventures of Superman. Not the Origin.

[Stephen K. Hone]

Originally Posted by Zachhelms

I agree but most people really want to see Superman since we haven't had a decent Superman movie in over 20 years. They want to get straight to the action and the adventures of Superman. Not the Origin.

If it is just action that makes for a very hollow unsatisfying movie. Might as well just watch a video game. I'm hoping for a full origin movie. I think that is what Snyder is alluding to when he said "what if there have never been any Superman films". Sounds like it'll be an origin story but told perhaps in a non linear fashion like BB.

[Zachhelms]

Originally Posted by Stephen K. Hone

If it is just action that makes for a very hollow unsatisfying movie. Might as well just watch a video game. I'm hoping for a full origin movie. I think that is what Snyder is alluding to when he said "what if there have never been any Superman films". Sounds like it'll be an origin story but told perhaps in a non linear fashion like BB.

I agree. What I was referring to, was more action then what was in Superman Returns.

And from what I have read/heard about the movie so far, I am almost certain that the movie will be an origin movie. And that is exactly what I want.

But, a lot of people want to get straight to Superman, not his becoming.

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by ElDuderino

TDK relied on Batman Begins' origin story. The second Snyder Superman movie can rely on the first just the same.

Agreed. I've never understood the aversion to origin stories. If you're starting anew, how can you not tell the story?

Definitely, to be honest I think people are worried its gonna be another STM with 30 mins on Krypton etc but it probably won't be. End of the day if its told right it will be a fantastic movie and thats the main thing.

[Stephen K. Hone]

Originally Posted by BH/HHH

Definitely, to be honest I think people are worried its gonna be another STM with 30 mins on Krypton etc but it probably won't be. End of the day if its told right it will be a fantastic movie and thats the main thing.

I think they can tackle the Krypton stuff in flashbacks throughout the movie that don't amount to more than 10 mins or so.

I'd like to see the movie start with an almighty explosion as something is blasted out of the sky and smashes into a building at incredible speed. All of the sudden, something moves, and starts to rise up out of the debris.

Concrete dust slowly falls off of the object and from behind reveals a red cape, (with a yellow \S/ of course and still heavily covered in dust) then we see a close up of a face bleeding, exhausted, beaten. It's the M.O.S near death.

Suddlenly another explosion as something else lands right in front of Superman, who by this time is attempting to stand fully upright. (Insert your foe of choice here) Stay down! Why do you feel the need to give your life for these puny unworthy humans? (kind of Zod-ish but oh well)

Superman ignores the advice and stubbornly attempts to lunge at said foe.

(Foe) "As you wish. If death is what you desire, death is what you shall have.

Foe pulls back and prepares to lower the boom on Superman, and then.. Okay cue the flashbacks lol! Now we get to find out what made him dedicate his life to become Earth's protector.

[hopefuldreamer]

I'm not gonna quote everyone, but I just wanna say that everything everyone has said has put a big grin on my face 100% agreed with you all!

Originally Posted by Stephen K. Hone

Yes I know the origin like the back of my hand but I want to see it all again. Don't gloss over it. If you are going to Begin or Start again then do it properly. Like Snyder said...full reverence for the design and canon of the comics but owing nothing to films that came before.

Exactly. Who cares if the origin has been done a hundred times in the comics. It's been done once in a Superman movie 40 years ago, and that was just one version of the story... one I don't happen to like.

I am literally buzzing on the idea they might do a birthright style origin.

[The Batman]

Originally Posted by ElDuderino

TDK relied on Batman Begins' origin story. The second Snyder Superman movie can rely on the first just the same.

^ this having nothing to do with what I'm saying, not to mention that BB was done because we NEVER saw Batman's complete origin onscreen, but honestly, im not getting into another tired discussion on origin stories or how they're "The only way you can develop characters".

[The Sage]

I have no problems with this movie being an origin story. I'm just hoping that while the familiar story is told that new themes and elements will be given time in the process. That's part of the reason why I had preferred they just jump right into Superman already established, but if they can do both at the same time, then that's cool. We'd get both.

[Zionite]

Originally Posted by The Batman

^ this having nothing to do with what I'm saying, not to mention that BB was done because we NEVER saw Batman's complete origin onscreen, but honestly, im not getting into another tired discussion on origin stories or how they're "The only way you can develop characters".

Dude We saw Supermans Origin on screen 30 years ago!Whats wrong with them doing it now.
Fact of the matter is they should do a Origin story.Superman as a character has beeen so misinterpreted to the GA,it would be best to introduce Superman to the GA,in a modern setting.It should be done properly.

[The Batman]

The "we saw the origin 30 years ago" is a lame excuse thats not even ACCURATE. We've seen the origin in STAS, L & C, and smallville, which has been a 10 year origin story. Most people who use that excuse know this, so why they continue to act like people only watch superman when hes in theaters, i dunno.

The FACT is that any good filmmaker can make you care about ANY type of character with or WITHOUT origin stories.

[KrypJonian]

Originally Posted by Frontier

I have nothing to base this off of other than gut instinct, but I'm beginning to get the distinct impressions we're going to be seeing "Superman Begins" -- a Superman variation on the film "Batman Begins" despite the early on talk we would not be re-hashing the well-hashed origin story.

I doubt the film will be a total re-telling of the origins; I doubt such very, very much. It's well-treaded ground. But I do imagine some non-linear flash-backs to Clark Kent the young man, as he first discovers his powers or some such.

I base this on two things: the forward Goyer recently wrote for the released graphic novel that shows such. Shows Clark Kent, late high school, discovering all of this. He's an alien with these immense powers. How isolating such would be, how frightening and stressful for him, it's something he doesn't initially want; a burden he must cope with at first before he realizes how much good he can do.

Combine that all with the casting of the Kents... and it just makes me think, while 80% of the story will be modern-time, Superman is there and established and has been for a while, I think 20% will be flash-back to teen Kent. Because they would cast at least 10-15 years older for the Kents otherwise; Costner is only 56, Diane Lane is 46.

When you think Ma and Pa Kent of Superman, you think of old timers in their 60s or beyond.

Clark was definitely not "late high school" age in secret origins...

[BH/HHH]

Originally Posted by KrypJonian

Clark was definitely not "late high school" age in secret origins...

Definitely not ha ha

[Rodrigo90]

Well as Kal-Mart said in another thread,and I agree. Its best to have the story revolve and develop around Clark throughout the duration. Showing his decision to become Superman,and where it will lead him to.

Instead of it being just like the original,goes to the Fortress.bang! he's Superman,fighting for TJATAW. Its important not forget that Clark was raised by human's and has the same struggles we have, both as himself and Superman.

People couldnt connect with Christopher cause he was a no nonsense policeman type,and his Clark Kent was just a disguise. You couldn't connect with Brandon Routh cause Superman was a mute and Clark Kent was just in the background.

The only Superman/Clark Kent who can be connected with was Dean Cain. He displayed the human side of Clark,and showed that Superman is his creation,trying to inspire the good and the law. That shouldn't be forgotten.

[jthom19802]

Originally Posted by Rodrigo90

Well as Kal-Mart said in another thread,and I agree. Its best to have the story revolve and develop around Clark throughout the duration. Showing his decision to become Superman,and where it will lead him to.

Instead of it being just like the original,goes to the Fortress.bang! he's Superman,fighting for TJATAW. Its important not forget that Clark was raised by human's and has the same struggles we have, both as himself and Superman.

People couldnt connect with Christopher cause he was a no nonsense policeman type,and his Clark Kent was just a disguise. You couldn't connect with Brandon Routh cause Superman was a mute and Clark Kent was just in the background.

The only Superman/Clark Kent who can be connected with was Dean Cain. He displayed the human side of Clark,and showed that Superman is his creation,trying to inspire the good and the law. That shouldn't be forgotten.

Couldn't agree more. I said in another thread something along the lines of why I want to see some Birthright thrown in there because the audience is always asked to make assumptions based on already knowing Superman. Smallville aside of course, never has the who/what/why and how been explored in live-action media. Dean Cain will certainly never be the most famous or the most popular Superman, but he will at least to this point be the most "human" Clark Kent.

Plus Cain was always the coolest Clark. I've always hated that some 6'3, muscular, intelligent, award winning successful journalist had to be portrayed as some sort of goofy dork just to "throw people off". Granted L&C started off that way a bit, but by the end Clark was every bit the catch that Lois was.

[Astrodust]

I'm looking forward to an Superman origins film. They don't need to go back as far as Krypton but I wouldn't care if they did. I think it would be dumb to jump right into the action and use flashbacks to tell the story.

[Rodrigo90]

Birthright is the best way to go. That story gave us a modern and realistic tale as to why Superman wants to save the world. Cause he experiences the horrors of war,the injustice of broken law and the suffering of others (All that in the first issue).

I believe if something like that is shown in the movie,it would give the audience a new and better sense of Superman,and his motives.

Cause the thing people dont understand about Superman is his human side. They believe he has powers,he's a goody two shoes,of course he's going to be a hero.

But they dont know is that for duration of time,Clark wanted to live a normal life and basically hide away on the farm. That's showing in Birthright,until he see's the world and wants to help it.

Not because he's a boy scout with powers,but because its the most noble act any person can do in any way. Thats what Clark tries to inspire as Superman.