TDK's Joker: The best film villain of all time?

[Diemtay]

If not, who is?

I voted that he's tied along side Darth Vader.

[Godzilla2014]

He is my favorite film villain!

[Superman Prime]

I don't know about the best film villain, but definitely the best comic book film villain.

[Harley2004]

Originally Posted by Superman Prime

I don't know about the best film villain, but definitely the best comic book film villain.

[Optimus_Prime_]

All film...nah...you still have Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver), Hannibal Lector and Darth Vader. Then you have some other, less well known ones. I'd say he's probably the best comic book movie villain, at least as good as Ian McKellen and Michael Fassbender's Magnetos...those are my top three at least. I'd more than likely have Joker as number one.

What makes Heath's Joker great - and in some way is misused in the movie - is Joker has a great Vader-esque "I am your father moment" when he gives him that speech whilst hanging upside down. I kind of felt like that was the true ending to the film, Joker ominously letting Batman know he'd be battling him, and people like him, for a long, long, long time. Simply awesome scene. I think that's ultimately why many signal out the end as something they would have changed, because after that scene not another scene lives up. So the rest kind of unravels in comparison. I think it also puts Gordon's speech at the end to shame.

[El Payaso]

One of the best, yes. But there are so many others that are up there.

[Knight Rise]

THE best? oh god no, he was just perfect for THIS type of Batman

[Franklin Richards]

He may not even be the best Joker.

[Fabian]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

He may not even be the best Joker.

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[Snare]

I wouldn't say best, no way. He was great but cinema is full of amazing villians.

[Knight Rise]

there isnt a best Joker when its only been done twice lol

[Franklin Richards]

You do realize that between two nouns, there can indeed be a "best"? Right?

[The Joker]

He's one of the best. Cinema is full of amazing and memorable villains and I think Heath's Joker is definitely up there with them.

[RustyCage]

I'd like to hear some examples of film villains people think are better. Just curious.

Someone said Darth Vader, who is a pretty tough icon to beat. I'm hoping to hear a few names in particular.

[Franklin Richards]

Here's AFI's Top 20


Dr. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins) in The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins) in Psycho (1960)
Darth Vader (David Prowse/James Earl Jones) in The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
The Wicked Witch of the West (Margaret Hamilton) in The Wizard of Oz (1939)
Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher) in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
Mr. Potter (Lionel Barrymore) in It's A Wonderful Life (1946)
Alex Forrest (Glenn Close) in Fatal Attraction (1987)
Phyllis Dietrichson (Barbara Stanwyck) in Double Indemnity (1944)
Regan MacNeil (Satan) (Linda Blair) in The Exorcist (1973)
The Queen (voice of Lucille LaVerne) in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
Michael Corleone (Al Pacino) in The Godfather, Part II (1974)
Alex DeLarge (Malcolm McDowell) in A Clockwork Orange (1971)
HAL 9000 (voice of Douglas Rain) in 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
The Alien (Bolaji Badejo) in Alien (1979)
Amon Goeth (Ralph Fiennes) in Schindler's List (1993)
Noah Cross (John Huston) in Chinatown (1974)
Annie Wilkes (Kathy Bates) in Misery (1990)
The Shark in Jaws (1975)
Captain Bligh (Charles Laughton) in Mutiny on the Bounty (1935)
Man in Bambi (1942)

[Franklin Richards]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

Here's AFI's Top 20


Dr. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins) in The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins) in Psycho (1960)
Darth Vader (David Prowse/James Earl Jones) in The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
The Wicked Witch of the West (Margaret Hamilton) in The Wizard of Oz (1939)
Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher) in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
Mr. Potter (Lionel Barrymore) in It's A Wonderful Life (1946)
Alex Forrest (Glenn Close) in Fatal Attraction (1987)
Phyllis Dietrichson (Barbara Stanwyck) in Double Indemnity (1944)
Regan MacNeil (Satan) (Linda Blair) in The Exorcist (1973)
The Queen (voice of Lucille LaVerne) in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
Michael Corleone (Al Pacino) in The Godfather, Part II (1974)
Alex DeLarge (Malcolm McDowell) in A Clockwork Orange (1971)
HAL 9000 (voice of Douglas Rain) in 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
The Alien (Bolaji Badejo) in Alien (1979)
Amon Goeth (Ralph Fiennes) in Schindler's List (1993)
Noah Cross (John Huston) in Chinatown (1974)
Annie Wilkes (Kathy Bates) in Misery (1990)
The Shark in Jaws (1975)
Captain Bligh (Charles Laughton) in Mutiny on the Bounty (1935)
Man in Bambi (1942)

Yes... she is.

[Hellion]

Originally Posted by Franklin Richards

Here's AFI's Top 20


Dr. Hannibal Lecter (Anthony Hopkins) in The Silence of the Lambs (1991)
Norman Bates (Anthony Perkins) in Psycho (1960)
Darth Vader (David Prowse/James Earl Jones) in The Empire Strikes Back (1980)
The Wicked Witch of the West (Margaret Hamilton) in The Wizard of Oz (1939)
Nurse Ratched (Louise Fletcher) in One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (1975)
Mr. Potter (Lionel Barrymore) in It's A Wonderful Life (1946)
Alex Forrest (Glenn Close) in Fatal Attraction (1987)
Phyllis Dietrichson (Barbara Stanwyck) in Double Indemnity (1944)
Regan MacNeil (Satan) (Linda Blair) in The Exorcist (1973)
The Queen (voice of Lucille LaVerne) in Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
Michael Corleone (Al Pacino) in The Godfather, Part II (1974)
Alex DeLarge (Malcolm McDowell) in A Clockwork Orange (1971)
HAL 9000 (voice of Douglas Rain) in 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
The Alien (Bolaji Badejo) in Alien (1979)
Amon Goeth (Ralph Fiennes) in Schindler's List (1993)
Noah Cross (John Huston) in Chinatown (1974)
Annie Wilkes (Kathy Bates) in Misery (1990)
The Shark in Jaws (1975)
Captain Bligh (Charles Laughton) in Mutiny on the Bounty (1935)
Man in Bambi (1942)

I generally agree with the list, but being a Bond fan, kinda surprised some of the more iconic Bond villains weren't included...

[weezerspider]

I would say he is up there, but I don't know if you can say he was the best ever. When I think of iconic film villains I think of Joker(from both films), Vader, and Hannibal.

[Knight Rise]

Definitely not the best of them all, that's just ridiculous and a little insulting. I'd say a few of the best are

Darth Vader
Freddy Kruger
Michael Myers
Hannibal Lecter
The Terminator
Gozer the Gozerian
Biff Tannen
Le Chiffre
Pennywise the Clown
Norman Bates
Chucky

and many more. Heath may be one of them, but he's definitely not the best or most iconic unless you only watch Nolan films

[Drizzle]

Originally Posted by Knight Rise

Definitely not the best of them all, that's just ridiculous and a little insulting. I'd say a few of the best are

Darth Vader
Freddy Kruger
Michael Myers
Hannibal Lecter
The Terminator
Gozer the Gozerian
Biff Tannen
Le Chiffre
Pennywise the Clown
Norman Bates
Chucky

and many more. Heath may be one of them, but he's definitely not the best or most iconic unless you only watch Nolan films

You would rank Le Chiffre over The Joker? All he did was whip Bond's balls back and forth.

[RedSkull]

The Joker is far and away better than all of those listed. On a mental and visual level. He's a truly dynamic character. Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter are the only others that come close. To put Chucky and Le Chiffre and Gozer on the same list is insane.

[Knight Rise]

Dude he isn't the best villain of all cinematic time. You probably didn't pay attention to Heaths work until TDK, which is ****ing pathetic when it comes down to how the villain affects the story. Ghostbusters was a huge success if you actually knew about it, Stay Puft Gozer was incredibly funny and creative so don't bash something you couldn't explain because you've had your eyes glued to ONE RECENT performance.

[RedSkull]

Gozer is like...a throwaway character with little screen time...they needed to give a face to a main villain. No one in the general public thinks about or remembers the villains of Ghostbusters except Slimer and the iconic Stay Puft. Don't be blinded as a Ghostbusters fan. I love Ghostbusters. One of my favorite franchises. I'd venture to say that Peter Venkman is one of my favorite protagonists in a film ever. But I don't think Gozer is even elligble for the hierarcy of film villains. And trust me I know Ghostbusters. Real Ghostbusters. Extreme Ghostbusters. Ghostbusters 2. etc. So I'm with you as a fan, but I refuse to acknowledge Gozer as even action figure worthy let alone list worthy. There have been some good villains in the animated canon of GB though, such as Sam Hain and The Boogeyman.

And no no I did pay attention to Heath's work. Brokeback. Dogtown. The Patriot. He's been great in all of his films, shame he never made it to Tree of Life. Would have been interesting to see him in place of the Brad Pitt character. So not only a good Joker, but also a good actor in general. I realize when something is overwhelmingly popular (as the Joker was) there will always be some naysayers and people that find the success transparent, etc etc. but I personally think (and again this thread and others are just matters of opinion not worth getting angry over) that Heath's Joker is a great character.

And I love Jack's Joker too so it's not like I'm just going to gush over Ledger. It's a hard call over which of them is "better." Like comparing apples and oranges. But the character of Ledger's Joker resonated with me more than any other villain on screen that I've seen so yes is what I voted for. And you should also know that I'm a HUGE skeptic of the Nolan franchise. I liked nothing about it UNTIL Heath's Joker and he remains the only thing I like about it.

Now some other villains that I think are definitly up there with Joker, Vader, Hannibal are:

The T-1000 (terminator 2)
Amon Goeth-Schindler's List
Hans Gruber (Die Hard)
Anton Chighur (No Country for Old men)
Scar (The Lion King)
Hans Landa (inglorious Basterds)

[Knight Rise]

....Stay Puft was Gozer....

[spider-neil]

joker is no where near the level of darth vader and hannible lecter.
I actually prefer hans gruber to joker as well.
I will say though that ledger's joker is top 5.