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Old 02-14-2012, 05:42 PM   #1
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Okay... can this even be done?

More importantly... should it be?

Captain Marvel was a relatively short lived character, popular in spurts and starts, but is sort of the background of the Ms. Marvel character, who's been perennially an Avenger since the 70s. They also are Kree, tying into the Skrull-Kree War if we go there. Your thoughts, guys.



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Well, in terms of the reality of it being done, I don't know the rights issue.

I think if you want to rotate the Avengers Roster after A3, introducing a character like ms. marvel would be a fine choice. Could even go the Agent of Shield route if you wanted too.

I refer to this series a lot, but EMH is so good I think taking cues from some of its episodes (if they have actual tie-ins to the story/movie) isn't a bad idea. Instead of Mar-Vell transferring some power by chance, maybe have him pass on before the threat is neutralized, therefore you can get some screen time with Ms. Marvel and have her defeat whatever enemy it is they face. If doubt this would happen before A2, if it did at all though.

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I'm interested with Ms. Marvel because I've seen her on the Avengers line up more often than Captain Marvel and she should be in the Avengers movie series.

With Captain Marvel, I'm not interested.

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I'm interested with Ms. Marvel because I've seen her on the Avengers line up more often than Captain Marvel and she should be in the Avengers movie series.

With Captain Marvel, I'm not interested.

You can't have Ms. Marvel without introducing Mar-Vell first, though. Any more than you can introduce Vision and Ultron without Hank Pym.

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Yeah guys. There were characters in comics before some of you started reading comics. Just because something is popular of late doesn't mean you disregard things that came before. Things work in cycles. Before the last few years Ms. Marvel was practically a nobody in the MU for the longest time.

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I think Yvonne Strahovski could be a good fit for Ms Marvel, but then she could work for most superheroines. Not sure which other actresses. I'd suggest Tricia Helfer but she's getting a bit too old.

Not sure who I would cast as Mar-Vell.

BTW I would hope they go with the Ms Marvel name instead of Warbird.

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Aren't they using Ms. Marvel in the MCU TV division.

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^Carol Danvers, yes. She's supposed to be recurring cast on the Jessica Jones show. No new news about that show yet, btw. This also confirms that the rights belong to Marvel Studios (As opposed to?)

Yvonne Strahovski would indeed be a great fit. TV or Movie.

But a good point is brought up. There's a ton of reasons not to do Captain Marvel (Cheesy name, unpopular character, etc), and only one reason to do him (he's Ms. Marvel's origin). How do you address that, exactly?

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^Carol Danvers, yes. She's supposed to be recurring cast on the Jessica Jones show. No new news about that show yet, btw. This also confirms that the rights belong to Marvel Studios (As opposed to?)

Yvonne Strahovski would indeed be a great fit. TV or Movie.

But a good point is brought up. There's a ton of reasons not to do Captain Marvel (Cheesy name, unpopular character, etc), and only one reason to do him (he's Ms. Marvel's origin). How do you address that, exactly?
Well he doesn't have to be referred to as Captain Marvel. He could be called Mar-Vell but he's a Kree Captain. If someone puts two and two together, they'd call him Captain Mar-Vell, but then again they might not. Maybe someone like Hawkeye could call him Captain Marvel facetiously if he doesn't want him around. He could reply "It's Mar-Vell" and Clint would say "yeah, whatever."

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Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

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You write a strong screenplay, assemble a strong cast, and just make the movie

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Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.
Good ideas, Chewy. He has a pretty cool backstory and you can incorporate most of it but ultimately make it about him turning against his warring race to save his newly adopted one. You would make the story from Carol's point of view and you wouldn't need him to go beyond one installment. Carol would continue there on.

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Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.

You write a strong screenplay, assemble a strong cast, and just make the movie
I agree, Abin-Suring him would be the chicken-**** way to go, and even But I doubt it hasn't crossed someone's mind in the very least.

As far as Yvonne Stahovski, she is Carol Danvers in my opinion. Plus, she already is in shape and wouldn't need much more training from being on Chuck for 5 years. I would like to see it as more of being a torch being passed and carrying on the legacy as you've stated before instead of being a simple plot device to give her her powers.

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Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.
Definately

Well said Chewy, I know I'm a little late to the party but I'm starting to become more and more excited about a Captain Marvel film

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Who should play Mar-Vell? Also, if they go through with it, I hope they don't go with CGI for the character himself.

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Who should play Mar-Vell? Also, if they go through with it, I hope they don't go with CGI for the character himself.
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True, cause then you obviously introduce the kree as a heavy hitting race and then is it almost obligatory to introduce the skrulls? You can't have one without the other I don't think, unless you decide to introduce the Black Bolt and the Inhumans (though I have no recollection as to the rights issue).

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I suppose you could use Mar-Vell to purely set up Ms. marvel getting her powers in an Abin Sur-type role ala GL, and though that would be less than ideal, it is still an option i suppose.

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I certainly hope they don't Abin-Sur him.

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Here's our Carol Danvers:







She's got the right personality and looks for the part. Of course, she could easily play Mockingbird as well.

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She's got the right personality and looks for the part. Of course, she could easily play Mockingbird as well.
Not built curvy enough!maybe she'd be good in a rubber suit with curves and a little muscle playing Silver Sable
I've seen her in chuck and the woman has not enough hips for miss marvel
It would be like the B movie Vampirella .the woman wasn't nearly curvy enough ,it ruined it. Seriously!
The perfect actress would be Christina Applegate but sadly I think she's a little too old now, and I picture Amanda Seyfried more as the Valkyrie and I hope they use her in Thor.
Maybe the girl who used to host <popular mechanic for kids> Elisha Cuthbert!
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She has the attitude, she already has fight training from being a spy on chuck and she is flippin hot.

Simple camera and light tricks can create the look of being more curvy or whatever if that is an honest requirement in your eyes.

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploa...-ms-marvel.jpg

She is Ms. Marvel to me.

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She has the attitude, she already has fight training from being a spy on chuck and she is flippin hot.

Simple camera and light tricks can create the look of being more curvy or whatever if that is an honest requirement in your eyes.

http://loyalkng.com/wp-content/uploa...-ms-marvel.jpg

She is Ms. Marvel to me.
I posted this in a different thread, but it's just as relevant here.

Movie reshape. The answer to any problem of height/ too small boobs/ curviness etc:


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Using this technology, a person can be made to look taller or shorter without the need for forced camera angles, lifts, ramps etc. A person can also be made to look more muscular, fatter, bigger boobs etc.

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I love Yvonne Strahovski, but she strikes me as a bit too serious for Carol Danvers, if that makes any sense. I think the actress who plays Carol needs to be able to play her with a sense of humor, with a sense of being a party girl who's trying to cast off her demons. And personally, I see her as an older soul --- not physically, maybe in her 30s, but she should feel more mature, more experienced. I could see Ali Larter, Elizabeth Banks, Charlize Theron, Malin Akerman, Diane Kruger....someone like that.
I don't really get this party girl vibe from Carol Danvers. She is a pretty serious character and often seemed to want to be taken seriously and show that she could compete with the boys. However, even if you go for a party girl angle, Strahovski can do that, and she has done that in Chuck. It's just that her role in there hasn't called for her to be that kind of person but a spy - which certainly fits with the military angle of Carol.

And besides, Marvel movies change personalities all the time. Jim Rhodes/ War Machine should be much more laid back in the comics. The way his character has been written in both Iron Man movies is to make him more serious and by the book compared to the fun-loving Stark (who isn't always that way in the comics himself but more serious).

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I don't really get this party girl vibe from Carol Danvers. She is a pretty serious character and often seemed to want to be taken seriously and show that she could compete with the boys. However, even if you go for a party girl angle, Strahovski can do that, and she has done that in Chuck. It's just that her role in there hasn't called for her to be that kind of person but a spy - which certainly fits with the military angle of Carol.

And besides, Marvel movies change personalities all the time. Jim Rhodes/ War Machine should be much more laid back in the comics. The way his character has been written in both Iron Man movies is to make him more serious and by the book compared to the fun-loving Stark (who isn't always that way in the comics himself but more serious).
I was talking about Carol's past, and the fact that she's a recovering alcoholic.

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I posted this in a different thread, but it's just as relevant here.

Movie reshape. The answer to any problem of height/ too small boobs/ curviness etc:


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Using this technology, a person can be made to look taller or shorter without the need for forced camera angles, lifts, ramps etc. A person can also be made to look more muscular, fatter, bigger boobs etc.
Or just don't, and leave the actress as is.

"Not enough hips"? Is this actually something someone posted?

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^Indeed.

Who would you guys cast for Captain Marvel?

And another thing I ran my head into a few times. What would be the exact nature and source of Captain Marvel's powers? In the comics it seems to be a varying combination of tech and biology. Perhaps some tech that's keyed to Kree genetics? Nega Bands or UniBeam?

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Well he doesn't have to be referred to as Captain Marvel. He could be called Mar-Vell but he's a Kree Captain. If someone puts two and two together, they'd call him Captain Mar-Vell, but then again they might not. Maybe someone like Hawkeye could call him Captain Marvel facetiously if he doesn't want him around. He could reply "It's Mar-Vell" and Clint would say "yeah, whatever."
Very true.

But what would you call the movie?

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Abin Suring him would be a huge mistake. I was just posting about this in the Avengers thread. I think the legacy aspect is the key to making this work.

You devote an entire film to Mar-Vell. Set it up so that he's in a relationship with Carol Danvers (doesn't have to be all that serious of one). Then he needs to sacrifice himself towards the end of the film, with a very heroic and noble death, probably saving the universe from something big. Ms Marvel gets her powers during this, and feels the need to pay homage to Mar-Vell, and not let his sacrifice end the legacy of a man she considers great. So she models herself after him, in "superhero name", costume, etc, trying to live up to his example. End it on her making that decision, on a hopeful note.

Or something along those lines.
I like this, and was thinking of something along these lines as well, though I would definitely have Danvers' relationship with Mar-Vell be very strong, to drive her arc and motivation harder when she gets his powers during his epic sacrifice.

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Yeah, "make it good" is always the answer, but that wouldn't make for much of a discussion.

Speaking of...

Who's the villain for a "Mar-Vell" movie?

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